FR24feed software (Old software)

[Mike]

You can say it is not fair, but I do not think FR24 thinks in terms of fair and unfair

Fair or not fair? What should we do instead? Keep data from 20 receivers and show data from 20 receivers? For what use?
Feeding from a location with many feeders means that your code will not show up so often, but it does not mean it makes no sense. Maybe there are 15 receivers covering 30000-40000 feet. But down on 3000 feet there are only coverage form 1-2-3 receivers. Or maybe there is a good receiver with good coverage, but he is often offline night time and coverage disappears. Or maybe there are many receivers with good coverage in eastern direction, but only 1-2 in western and you are one of them?

Even if you at this moment can't find an aircraft with your radar code, it does not that there is no benefit from your receiver.

[k9act]

>1) To start with. What does premium say? Is your feed working?

Working fine.

>2) Why do you need to see that an aircraft comes from your receiver?

It provides some motivation for dedicating a computer and time to the project. If it is never used, why bother?

>3) If an aircraft is visible from 23 receivers, which one should we show as "radar"?

What you are doing is working fine. I just wanted to know how I fit in and apparently my feed doesn't unless the neighbor is down/broken.

I can't speak for the 23 but there are only 3 others in my range, one of which is on the order of 95%, the other two most of what's left and I see mine about .01%

>4) If you have seen an aircraft that was not uploaded please post callsign/hex and a screenshot so we can search for the error. Right now we don't have anything to go on. I don't even know your ID or if you are feeding correctly.

I mentioned mine and the other local in the original post. My antenna is at 50 ft but I live in a forest so I didn't expect great coverage but I frequently see planes over 100 miles.

Thanks,

Jack


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[SoCalBrian]

3) If an aircraft is visible from 23 receivers, which one should we show as "radar"?

Reviewing the posts above on this thread. Maybe a color code system would work better and it could be improved later on with more details.
Like:
[Green] Aircraft data received from this source only
[Red] Aircraft data received from more than one source

The color code logos could be added on this page and on other areas on the site.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/planes.php

You can see the example on this page for Sweden.

http://aishub.net/source-statistics.html?source=2011

Maybe a "Statistics" page could be added to for each feeder. so we can see what aircraft is being picked up by each feeder.

Maybe other can submit more ideas on how it can made better be on FR24.

[Mike]

Reviewing the posts above on this thread. Maybe a color code system would work better and it could be improved later on with more details.
Like:
[Green] Aircraft data received from this source only
[Red] Aircraft data received from more than one source

The color code logos could be added on this page and on other areas on the site.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/planes.php

You can see the example on this page for Sweden.

http://aishub.net/source-statistics.html?source=2011

Maybe a "Statistics" page could be added to for each feeder. so we can see what aircraft is being picked up by each feeder.

Maybe other can submit more ideas on how it can made better be on FR24.

Colors will not be added. It does not fit graphically in the design and it will not add any new functionality. I don't think it will help k9act or any other user to see a foreign radar-code in red color, instead of green. This will also need some rework server side. Maybe the easiest solution is just to remove the radar code? It does not add anything apart from confusion and anger.

As I have written to you several times statistics will be added in the future, but I think there is higher priority on some other projects like MLAT, improved route accuracy or improved server capacity than playing around with numbers that 99.999% of the users will never see or know how to interpret. There is already a simple statistic today "last feed date" and it looks like it does not help feeders. They are not satisfied with a message that it's working or when it was working, they just want their radar code on FR24. But maybe removing radar-code would move focus from the radar-code to the message that feed is working?

[k9act]

I just had another incident of a plane on Abscope but not on Fr24. I have a screen shot of both but don't know what hex code you are looking for.

Where should I send the pics?

As a point of interest, shortly after that, I saw my id on 3 planes in my area. I suspect kdkb1 was down as he was nowhere to be seen on any of the other planes.

Jack

[Birdie]

Maybe the easiest solution is just to remove the radar code?

They are not satisfied with a message that it's working or when it was working, they just want their radar code on FR24. But maybe removing radar-code would move focus from the radar-code to the message that feed is working?

Please don't do that. Give credit to the feeders.

[SoCalBrian]

Mike you shouldn't throw it under the rug and not work with the feeders to find a solution that works for everyone.
I'm sure with more discussion with everyone or small group of us will find the correct solution for it.

There is already a simple statistic today "last feed date" and it looks like it does not help feeders.

Correct it doesn't fully help the feeders yet.
Since you bring up MLAT in your above post.
Having a feeder status list/"last feed date" would be helpful when MLAT is released. So we know when the "feeder's neighbors" is online to do MLAT,ADS-B,etc.
Plus it would be nice to know what feeders can provide MLAT data. Check to see what feeders available at that time. If it's seen offline we can 'Call,PM,Email,Make contact via Two-way radio',etc have them check their receiver, turn on the feed,etc.


Again just don't throw it under the rug. Let's find the correct solution for everyone.

[Birdie]

Check to see what feeders available at that time. If it's seen offline we can 'Call, PM, Email, Make contact via Two-way radio', etc have them check their receiver, turn on the feed,etc.

If everything else failed, please don't forget the good, old boy scout " Smoke Signal " . LOL.

[JinbaIttai]

Hi Mike

Maybe the easiest solution is just to remove the radar code? It does not add anything apart from confusion and anger.

Please don't remove the radar code. I realise it causes confusion and anger for some feeders, but I enjoy watching a plane on a long distance flight get handed off from radar to radar and then look at the radar code to discover new airports I never heard of before. Surely I'm not the only one.

[Kemistry]

... Maybe the easiest solution is just to remove the radar code? It does not add anything apart from confusion and anger.

I have cautioned before about removing the radar code on the basis that regular and reliable feeders verify their data by regular monitoring and visual observation.
It seems that if you live in an area where there are plenty of reliable feeders, a new feeder with marginal system capability has difficulty having their (possibly) irregular data broadcast.
It seems to me that this may alienate a feeder who adds marginal benefit to the system but there are already plenty of feeders in that area who will continue to supply data.
However reliability and quality of data is also very important.
I supply my data to another group but because they do not recognise my radar in their broadcast, I do not care about my quality or reliability. I almost never check their site to see that my data is correctly displayed.

This is FR24's competitive edge - feeders who care about the data that they provide and regularly monitor it to ensure ongoing quality.
I respectfully request that you do not remove the radar code as I think you may alienate a loyal group of quality feeders who then may be replaced by another lot of much harder to manage contributors (technically).
It is great that others are trying to help these feeders with their issues, but please don't destroy the excellent base of the system by any knee-jerk actions.
You're doing a great job.
Ken T-YBBN1

[Kpin]

I just had another incident of a plane on Abscope but not on Fr24. I have a screen shot of both but don't know what hex code you are looking for.

Where should I send the pics?

As a point of interest, shortly after that, I saw my id on 3 planes in my area. I suspect kdkb1 was down as he was nowhere to be seen on any of the other planes.

Jack

So, your reciever has not lived in vain :-D

[SoCalBrian]

Some good posts from the few above members on page 37.
So Mike can understand it better and get more feedback, I would like to hear from more feeders about the radar codes being removed option.
Let's hear about it so we can give Mike some more feedback on it. Should the radar code removed or Should the radar code stay on the site. How does the feeder radar code help other feeders.

[Anmer]

I think Mike has explained this many, many times.

There appear to be two options.

1. Show an alias.

2. Do not show an alias.

I prefer to see an alias than not.

I understand how the process works where there's an overlapping feed and I can't see an alternative that will please everyone. And as Mike has also explained many times, a feeder's Premium account shows whether or not data is being received even if its not being used on the map.

But let's put this in some perspective.

Mike says there are 1,300 feeders. How many are posting about this?

And I'm sure Mike and the team have more important things to be doing. Like improving functionality for the website and all the apps.

That get's my vote.

[SoCalBrian]

Mike says there are 1,300 feeders. How many are posting about this?

Give it some time to let more feeders respond. It's only been few days.
and thank you for your feed back.

[delcomp]

As an Uploader (T-EDLM1),. I am quite happy with what weve have got.

And I guess thats how most of the uploader feel..

The site has come very far, from when we first started,. or when I started
in the Volcano-Dusk Clouds days .