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    Possible to feed using SBS-3 via USB?

    Copying from the SBS-x post just in case someone here can answer.

    After realising I can not control the onboard SDR's when connected via ethernet. I wanted to try and feed using USB.

    I have tried pretty much every port that the feeder software provides, but for the life of me I can not get it to recognise my SBS-3 when connected via USB. The feeder config seems to allow for this.

    Or failing that is there a way to control the SDR's when connected via Ethernet?

    Is there actually a way to do this under Windows 7?

    Jerry
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    Quote Originally Posted by slammer99uk View Post
    Copying from the SBS-x post just in case someone here can answer.

    After realising I can not control the onboard SDR's when connected via ethernet. I wanted to try and feed using USB.

    I have tried pretty much every port that the feeder software provides, but for the life of me I can not get it to recognise my SBS-3 when connected via USB. The feeder config seems to allow for this.

    Or failing that is there a way to control the SDR's when connected via Ethernet?

    Is there actually a way to do this under Windows 7?

    Jerry
    WHats your exact process, and what exactly isn't working. (screenshots/messages?)

    I don't have one to test, but there is native USB support as part of the feed software, much like the beast. However it needs a drop-down change and this wont by default allow BaseStation to also work at the same time.
    Assuming the feed SW is configured properly you should see it attempt to connect as part of the startup and give output if successful etc.

    From there, to also have BS running it needs to have --MPX put into the additional argument space and then reconfigure basestation to look at port 20072 (may have changed in later update - I need to run when I get home and confirm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oblivian View Post
    WHats your exact process, and what exactly isn't working. (screenshots/messages?)

    I don't have one to test, but there is native USB support as part of the feed software, much like the beast. However it needs a drop-down change and this wont by default allow BaseStation to also work at the same time.
    Assuming the feed SW is configured properly you should see it attempt to connect as part of the startup and give output if successful etc.

    From there, to also have BS running it needs to have --MPX put into the additional argument space and then reconfigure basestation to look at port 20072 (may have changed in later update - I need to run when I get home and confirm)
    Thanks for replying Oblivion.

    I am at work now so I will post here what I can remember, if this fails to help I will post a more comprehensive response tonight.

    The main problem I am having is not specifically a feeder problem, namely when I have my SBS-3 connected via Ethernet I lose my SDR radios:-

    Connected via USB
    USB.jpg

    Connected via Ethernet
    Ethernet.jpg

    So I want to feed via the USB connection obviously. Reconfig of the feeder software is done choosing SBS3 and USB and outputing feeds on all the ports suggested by the program. Once started up the main error message I see is "unable to connect..... make sure receiver is an SBSx-USB device (or similar) is this where the --mux arguement comes in?

    Let me know if this is enough to go on?

    Jerry

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    Mayyyyybe.

    Presuming it creates a serial emulation port on the system you'll also need to tell it the com port. On mine for the beast I have it set as "COM4" (being mine is on 4) in the COM/DEV/PATH field

    But if its the basestation thats got the error on startup saying it can't find the SBS, quite possibly. the --MPX enables data on that local port that is is in basestation format to allow you to daisy chain, and then you reconfigure basestation settings to tap into instead of basestation trying to connect to the USB directly.

    Ideally you want to check the FR24 feed status can talk to the USB primarily and starts uploading first. Then start chaining basestation on

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    No, it is not BaseStation that throws that error, it's the FR24feed program (unable to connect..... make sure receiver is an SBSx-USB device) and this is happening with only the feeder software running trying to connect to the SBS-3 (no BaseStation running)

    I do not think serial emulation comes into it to be honest, but I could be wrong and may have to have a look at that.

    I appreciate you trying to help.

    Jerry

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    Would think there will be an interface or USB driver of some sort loading to be able to send/rec data over the USB. Thats usually via virtual com port

    comport.jpg

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    Now that's an interesting screen shot, I assume this will be via a driver. I am going to have to dig further when I get home tonight.

    Thanks for all your help so far.

    Jerry

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    Another thing I note checking the manual..

    The SBS-3 requires approximately 900 mA of current from the USB
    port when both SDR’s are turned on. Some PC’s, particularly older
    ones may not be able to supply this amount of power on a USB port.
    In this case, a special Y cable may be used to connect to either a
    second USB port on the PC, or an external power supply. One arm of
    the Y cable carries power only, and the other carries both power and
    data.


    When the
    USB port on the SBS-3 is connected to a PC (and the orange USB
    light is on indicating a USB data connection), the Ethernet interface
    on the SBS-3 is automatically turned off to save power.
    There appears to be a USB OK that needs to go orange.

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    Power is definately not the problem, when running on USB the extra red USB is plugged into the powered USB hub. Using BaseStation and the SBS-3 via USB works absolutely fine including both tuners and all channels. The USB OK light is also on in this configuration. My guess is that in order to get it to light up with the feeder software, a working connection is required between the SBS-3 and Fr24feed, and for this I need to get the correct USB driver to create the com port you highlighted in your previous post.

    Would this be the Zadig (sp) driver by any chance?

    Jerry

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    OK so now I am getting somewhere. The big problem to overcome is I can either feed via USB with BS not running or I can have BS running but not feed and have full control of the SDR's

    Somewhere in all this I am convinced the problem lies with the config settings of the ports. If the feed is connected to the SBS-3 then the feeder works but then BS shows "not connected" because the feeder software is hogging a port that BS needs. If I start BS off first it connects to the SBS-3 but the feeder errors out with:-

    2015-07-29 21:07:49 | [basestation][i]Thread started
    2015-07-29 21:07:49 | [basestation][i]Creating server socket
    2015-07-29 21:07:49 | [basestation][i]Starting server on port 20072
    2015-07-29 21:07:49 | [basestation][i]Waiting for a connection
    2015-07-29 21:07:49 | [reader][i][0]Connected to the receiver, authenticating
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [time][i]Time synchronized correctly, offset +2.0619 secon
    ds
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [main][i]Feed Network client started
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [main][i]RAW data server started
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][i]Downloading configuration
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [raw][i]Initializing server
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [raw][i]Starting server on 0.0.0.0:30334
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Interval: 5s
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Latitude: 51.4900
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Longitude: 0.0800
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]GND: YES
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]NonADSB: YES
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Timestamps: optional
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Max range AIR: 350.0nm
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][c]Max range GND: 100.0nm
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][i]defined 1 server
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][n]EGLC74@83.140.21.66:8099/UDP
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [feed][n]connecting
    2015-07-29 21:07:52 | [stats][i]Stats thread started
    2015-07-29 21:07:53 | [feed][n]connected
    2015-07-29 21:07:53 | [feed][n]switching to UDP
    2015-07-29 21:07:53 | [feed][n]working
    2015-07-29 21:08:04 | [reader][e][0]Authentication failed, please make sure the
    specified device is a SBSX-USB receiver
    2015-07-29 21:08:04 | MSGS-OK: 0
    2015-07-29 21:08:04 | MSGS-ER: 0
    2015-07-29 21:08:09 | [reader][i][0]Connecting to SBS1 receiver via USB (DEFAULT
    )
    2015-07-29 21:08:09 | [reader][i][0]Connected to the receiver, authenticating
    2015-07-29 21:08:23 | [feed][n]ping 1
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][e][0]Authentication failed, please make sure the
    specified device is a SBSX-USB receiver
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-OK: 0
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-ER: 0
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][i][0]Connecting to SBS1 receiver via USB (DEFAULT
    )
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][i][0]Connected to the receiver, authenticating
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][e][0]Authentication failed, please make sure the
    specified device is a SBSX-USB receiver
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-OK: 0
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-ER: 0
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [feed][n]ping 2
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][i][0]Connecting to SBS1 receiver via USB (DEFAULT
    )
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][i][0]Connected to the receiver, authenticating
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | [reader][e][0]Authentication failed, please make sure the
    specified device is a SBSX-USB receiver
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-OK: 0
    2015-07-29 21:09:23 | MSGS-ER: 0

    Let me expalin what I want do - I want to feed my SBS-3 detected aircraft to FR24 and I want BS running and showing those aircraft. It seems to me that FR24feed needs a port to take the data from the SBS-3 to send to FR24, that's understood, but BS needs another port to also take the data to display it. That's the bit I appear to be having trouble with. To make things a bit muddier it appears that the SDR's will only work when BS is connected to the SBS-3 directly i.e. with no intermediary program in between

    Or am I wrong?

    Jerry

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