We are very well aware of that the crash site is 15 km before last signal. Currently we can't explain it on any other way than winds or maybe aircraft turning around if it lost a wing or stabilizer (Wild speculation. I don't say it happened, just say that this could explain why aircraft turned back). We will have to wait for the black box data to get the answers. I for sure trust the data we have received and it looks like our data can be confirmed by another source
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Originally posted by Mike View PostI for sure trust the data we have received and it looks like our data can be confirmed by another source
FR24 Hasn't released any RAW data to compare it with any other source.
PlanePlotter hasn't released any RAW data to the public to compare it with other possible sources like FR24.
Will FR24 Release any RAW data from the aircraft that did the above MH17 flight ?
My guess FR24 won't be releasing any Raw Data from the MH17 Crash.Last edited by SoCalBrian; 2014-07-24, 20:16.Brian
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I would like to attract attention to two photos. on the photo in this thread, post #53 the cockpit panel is heavily damaged with missile shrapnel. as well you can easily google for the photos of the tail parts, the wreckages of stabilizers have no penetrating holes. that's mean the missile exploded in front of cockpit, it is typical behavior of surface-air missile
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Hi,
I would like some help tracking these three planes history and getting the most recent photos of them. Can you experts please direct me. And if anyone has their own photos please share them or keep them safe. :-)
MH370 Boeing Serial number 28420
MH17 Boeing Serial number 28411
Seen in Tel Aviv Boeing serial number 28416 was a Malaysian Plane
Thank you very much.
Sea Petal
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Originally posted by Sea Petal View PostHi,
I would like some help tracking these three planes history and getting the most recent photos of them. Can you experts please direct me. And if anyone has their own photos please share them or keep them safe. :-)
MH370 Boeing Serial number 28420
MH17 Boeing Serial number 28411
Seen in Tel Aviv Boeing serial number 28416 was a Malaysian Plane
Thank you very much.
Sea Petal
MH370 Boeing 28420
MH17 Boeing 28411
Boeing 28416 possibly seen in January at Ovda ?
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Hi Mike
Why is there no flight record for Boeing 28416 9M MRI ?
The world’s most popular flight tracker. Track planes in real-time on our flight tracker map and get up-to-date flight status & airport information.
Or Boeing 28411 9M MRD
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Or Boeing 28420 9M MRO
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Do you have it stored?
Thanks!Last edited by Sea Petal; 2014-07-24, 23:46.
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Originally posted by Sea Petal View PostHi Mike
Why is there no flight record for Boeing 28416 9M MRI ?
The world’s most popular flight tracker. Track planes in real-time on our flight tracker map and get up-to-date flight status & airport information.
Or Boeing 28411 9M MRD
The world’s most popular flight tracker. Track planes in real-time on our flight tracker map and get up-to-date flight status & airport information.
Or Boeing 28420 9M MRO
The world’s most popular flight tracker. Track planes in real-time on our flight tracker map and get up-to-date flight status & airport information.
Do you have it stored?
Thanks!
Boeing 28416 a previous Malaysian plane was acquired by Gat Telesis and is being dismantled in Isreal
The second Malaysian Boeing 28418 is also now owned by Gat Telesis but not sure where it is being dismantled
What are the odds? A Malaysian plane goes completely missing and 5 months later we have not found a single piece of that plane or have any concrete evidence of where it is.
Then a second Malaysian plane almost identical is involved in an international war incident and crashes just months later. Meanwhile identical planes are being dismantled in two different places previous to the disappearance and crash. There were two other planes in the air over the Ukraine at the same time but it was the Malaysian plane that gets shot down. It just doesn't feel right at all. Bizarre and treacherous.Last edited by Sea Petal; 2014-07-25, 00:29.
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Originally posted by Sea Petal View PostThere were two other planes in the air over the Ukraine at the same time but it was the Malaysian plane that gets shot down. It just doesn't feel right at all. Bizarre and treacherous.
Singapore 35,000 feet
Air India 40,000 feet
Looks to me like the Malaysian was just flying the lowest making it the easiest of the 3 targets to hit.
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Originally posted by Sea Petal View PostIt turns out
Boeing 28416 a previous Malaysian plane was acquired by Gat Telesis and is being dismantled in Isreal
The second Malaysian Boeing 28418 is also now owned by Gat Telesis but not sure where it is being dismantled
What are the odds? A Malaysian plane goes completely missing and 5 months later we have not found a single piece of that plane or have any concrete evidence of where it is.
Then a second Malaysian plane almost identical is involved in an international war incident and crashes just months later. Meanwhile identical planes are being dismantled in two different places previous to the disappearance and crash.
Experts believe a fire in the cockpit of a Boeing 777 at Cairo Airport in July 2011 holds the key to the mystery of MH370
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The AV Herald states "The aircraft was found to differ from Boeing's design in that a clamp supporting the first officer's wiring to the oxygen mask light panel was missing. The wiring was not sleeved and a large loop of unsupported wire was found. The investigation determined that about 280 aircraft including all of Egyptair's Boeing 777s were delivered that way."
Is there a way to find out whether the MH370 aircraft was among the 280?
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Originally posted by Mike View PostThe heading was recorded by FR24 and was published 3 hours after the crash
Before MH370 almost no media trusted FR24 data. During the first 10 hours after it disappeared I contacted every big media in the world to tell them that signal was lost outside of Malaysia, and not in China where the search was focused on for first 10 hours. No one cared. After some weeks it was found that FR24 had the last tracked data of MH370 and that it was correct. After that we gained some confidence in media.
When MH17 disappearance was announced it took only about 5 minutes for FR24 to become overloaded as everybody was looking for FR24 as the primary source for data. We posted our raw data from database about 3 hours after the crash, and as far as I have seen this is the best data we have today. Several journalist have called us to verify 13:21 UTC as the time when last signal was picked up and I have seen this time in several media around the world. Example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/gra...th-map-ukraine
Some media use other timings with everything between 13:00 and 14:00 as last signal time.
There are 200+ mentions on Google with last position: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+%2238.7728%22 (this search is just matching on the raw data, there could be more mentions with less decimals, conversion to other format or just a map).
I wanted to suggest you that flightradar24 data of last known position/time could turn out to be extrapolated, maybe by your software, because it seems that in another crash case at least, last position from other sources were more accurate.
I still haven't checked out other cases so I may be wrong, but I'll take the example of the reported lost plane N36ML - 09/12/2013 :
The instrument-rated pilot was on a 234-nm instrument flight rules (IFR) cross-country flight over mountainous terrain; instrument meteorological conditions prevailed at the time. During ...
Here is a comparision between different flight trackers and the conclusion :
"Another site with radar tracking information is flightradar24. Please note that the last few data points reported by flightradar appear to be extrapolations, and are not considered to be real data."
"There are discrepancies between these two data sources. It is believed that the data comes from the same source (not separate radar towers), so some points may be extrapolations. Searchers in Idaho (who would have had more detailed information) appeared to be using the coordinates from flightaware as the last know coordinates and heading of the plane."
Back to MH17, I have three sources :
- flightradar24 (13:21:28Z, N48.0403 E38.7728)
- flightaware (13:19Z, N48.1350 E38.5030)
- the Aviation Herald (13:20Z, N48.1230 E38.5258) (Emergency Locator Transmitter)
Note that "the transponder data became unreliable at 13:18Z (position N48.28 E38.08) and was lost at FL330 at 13:20Z."
The last two sources are perfectly consistent with the crash zone, when at least the last data from flightradar24 (after 13:19:16) appears to be perfectly irrelevant :
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Note also that their distance from the further debris (approx. 11km) is also consistent with balistic coefficients shown in this excellent post :
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Вопрос-ответ. Q1: Что MH17 делал над зоной боевых действий? Какой гад его туда завел? A1: MH17 летел по обычной гражданской авиатрассе L980. Через Восточную Украину с запада на восток проходит несколько таких трасс и я нанес их синими линиями на карту внизу Q2: Но так почему он не полетел по одной…
I would fully agree with you to wait for the investigation results, if your data weren't used to disinform during an international crisis, and fuel such florishing conspiracy theories :
Оригинал взят у my_local в Боинг Несколько моментов по поводу катастрофы рейса MH17/MAH17 Боинг-777 Малайзийских авиалиний 17 июля 2014 года. Данный пост не претендует на полноценный анализ, просто ряд штрихов по теме этой страшной трагедии. Если кратко. Похоже что самолет чудом не упал на…
21WIRE SPECIAL REPORT | This comprehensive report points to a damning criminal indictment of Kiev in the downing of MH17, and political and media complicity by Washington and NATO to cover it up.
So if reliability of your system was confirmed to be doubtfull for last position data, please let us know, because in spite of that, everyone knows flightradar24 remains excellent.
And if I'm wrong, apologies.Last edited by SAļ; 2014-07-27, 21:29.
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As stated many times now, the published data is the raw data from database and not from the web page.
Flightaware didn't have any data in this area. They have added one raw of data from unknown source manually afterwards.
No matter how much we speculate, we will not get any answers before we have data from the black boxes.
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All these people with conspiracy theory's should ask themselves what does xxxx have to gain from spreading mis-information.
When they find out - share it with us, the voices i hear when there's no-one around are really interested! - I'll pass it on.
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