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    Hello folks,

    just registered as a member here on FR24.com. Wondering bout buying the latest 3D Airnav stuff as i m very interested in mil aviation which (except some mil planes) are not shown here on FR24.com. Does some1 know from own experience if all mil aviation is visible through the Airnav equipment?? And sometimes i miss civil planes as well... would i see all civil planes when i got my Airnav stuff up and running??? Thanks for your help in advance!

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    Hi Nick

    Most military aircraft DO NOT transmit positional data and therefore will not appear on any map, AirNav, Basestation etc. Exceptions are civil types, sometimes.

    The only option at this time is to register for PlanePlotter which has an option callled Multilateration, Mlat for short.

    Mlat tries to plot any non-positional aircraft by using a sophisticated cross-fixing using ground stations. Although not guaranteed, PP Mlat has evolved quite quickly and more and more non-positional aircraft are being plotted. Read more on the COAA website.

    Many military aircraft do have and use ModeS but without positional data. These will appear in aircraft lists for ModeS products (Basestation and AirNav) but not on their maps.

    There's a feature comparison Check List on the Radarspotters Forum:

    http://radarspotters.eu/forum/index.php/board,43.0.html
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    You will, however, see some military versions of civilian airliners .. like the German AF's A310's, the RCAF A310's and the RAF L-1011's.

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    Hello Anmer,

    thanx alot for your very fast reply. I did see indeed, probably as an exception, a RAF Tristar yesterday somewhere above the east coast of the UK. Very interesting to read thanx to that multilateration stuff aircraft which would be normally invisible will become visible!
    Seeing those planes only in a list thanx to s-mode is definitely disappointing when you dont have any clue where those planes are. It sounds quite simple honestly, this multilateration.... using a couple of groundstations and based on their fixes get a best 'guess' location.
    Thanx again!

    Greetzzz,


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    I saw the Tristar too..
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    That Tristar is the first to show its position. It's been with Marshalls in Cambridge for many weeks and these are flight tests by Marshalls. Hopefully it will continue to display position when it's returned to the RAF.
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    I've tried use PlanePlotter MLAT with SBS-1 but it is very complex and doesn't work most of the times - very unreliable. You will depend on ground stations that most of the times don't work and usually just a few aircraft will be tracked - sometimes none. Unless these flights have ADS-B it will be almost impossible to track them.

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    Typical response from Andre Brandao, CEO of AirNav Systems pretending to be rgsmith.

    Also total misinformation. PP Mlat works very well and is free for approved Ground Stations or just €12 a year for others. You also get live shared network traffic.

    Maybe rgsmith should post his message on the PP Yahoo Group and wait for the response from PP users?

    I'm sure the more experienced members here will confirm that this is Andre Brandao, who also posts on other forums as Kaitak and Dirkou. He never has the courage to post under his real name.
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    Anmer, real name "Mike Colgan" is the administrator of RadarSpotters.eu, an internet forum created 1 year ago by the SBS shop, Martin Lynch and Sons to promote SBS.
    He is well known for doing this kind of activities all over the internet.

    Now he is on this forum trying to pass all the false information one more time. Don't believe in anything what he writes.

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    Andre, please go away and stop messing up other people's forums. Or, perhaps post some evidence to back up your unfounded allegations?

    Even the editor of RadioUser magazine doesn't agree with you.

    By the way, you can't even spell my name correctly
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