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    CRASH ;Yakovlev Yak-42 passenger planecrash ,Central Russia

    Thirty-four people have died in a Yakovlev Yak-42 passenger plane crash near the city of Yaroslavl in Central Russia. The majority of victims were members of the local ice hockey team Lokomotiv.
    The plane went down and caught fire shortly after taking to the air. The crash site is merely 500 meters from the runway.
    The Yak-42 was on its way to the Belarusian capital Minsk and had 37 people on board, aviation authorities reported. The aircraft’s maximum capacity is 120 passengers and crew.


    More coming , RIP to all, sad for Russia safety records

    Top KHL squad killed in passenger plane crash in Russia

    http://rt.com/news/passenger-plane-russia-reports-005/

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0907/russia.html


    Yak Service Yakovlev Yak 42
    , on U Tube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZLPZSL5RwY

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    Yak Service YK42 at Yaroslavl on Sep 7th 2011, failed to climb on takeoff

    http://avherald.com/h?article=4428da13&opt=0

    R.I.P Stefan Liv , famous Swede
    hockey player

    AP/Misha Japaridze
    yakservice_yk42_r.jpg

    FROM AP with photos from scene

    http://hosted2.ap.org/COGRA/APWorldN...bbf177a7cf9ad5

    AP/Misha Japaridze



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    Here's a Short Video of the remains of the Yakolev Yak42(........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYNEGsudbX4


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    crash kills Lokomotiv ice hockey players, R.I.P

    The deaths of 36 players and officials in a plane crash in Russia have been described as an "irreparable loss" by the Russian Ice Hockey Federation.
    Those confirmed dead include former Swedish Olympic champion Stefan Liv and former New Jersey Devils player Alexander Vasyunov.
    The plane was carrying the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl team to Minsk, where they were to play Dinamo Minsk on Thursday.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/ice_hockey/14827752.stm

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    Tragedy for Ishochey world and here is some specualations ; R.I.P Stefan Liv , very sad Horse thinks this

    comments from readers;

    This is a quote:

    " "You can take as many Russian planes out of circulation as you please, but that will not solve the critical problems increasingly afflicting our passenger fleet," said Alexander Akimenkov, a former test pilot and senior member of the Ukraine-based International Academy for Human Problems in Aviation and Cosmonautics. "You can't replace all these planes with Boeings and other foreign makes, no matter how good they may be, because we just don't have a proper infrastructure for them."

    The aircraft that crashed Wednesday was built in the early 1990s and could have been in use for years to come if properly maintained, he said. But in the post-Soviet period, the quality of production and maintenance decayed.

    "The pilots are not properly trained to manage simple Russian planes equipped with a minimum of electronic equipment on board in crisis situations.

    "I hate to say it," he said, "but the situation is so bad that planes will continue to crash." "

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    Gents,
    a bit more guessing...
    Flap setting might not be the issue. It is known that the Yak42 needs quick correction of the stab trim immediatelly after lift off, so might have been an issue with the stab trim operation. Also I remember the crews of Yak Service (I met a few) as reliable.
    you are right...the crashes in the past in Russia were not caused by the age of the aircraft; often you will find human errors, like in case of the An24 (faked maintenance data) or the TU134 at Petrosavodsk, what crashed beacuse of weather and pilots error, not because of its age.

    R.I.P Passengers and Crew

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    "Pilot", if you don't know, then I will tell you that every aircraft - both new and old - has to be maintained and repaired according to prescribed mandatory requirements, and aircraft "fall" not by themselves, they are controlled by some people called "pilots", and there is lots of other factors, so usually (except recent AN-24 crash that was due clearly to lack of maintenance of engines) an aircraft is not the thing to blame, no matter where it was made in - USA, Europe, Russia or Antarctica - and no matter how "old" it was. So stop your stupid considerations about old Russian planes without even knowing any facts about reasons of the crash.

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    Possible reasons:
    Flaps setting. Looks like that it is another missing flap setting like Span Air in Madrid, Lapa in Argentina and Northwest flight 255 in Detroit in 1987
    Cap Meinel

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    What about the bird strike arter take off, airport very close the river...

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    Live listing of latest on YAK 42

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...sh/443431.html

    The flight before Crash , from Moscow , coming up to returnpoint at Yaroslavl ,
    where accident took place

    http://www.flightradar24.com/2011-09-07/09:32/AKY9634

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    Russia: Investigators Examining Plane's Black Box

    Russian air accident investigators say they are examining flight recorder boxes from a plane that crashed this week, killing 43 people and devastating a top ice hockey team.
    The Interstate Aviation Committee http://www.mak.ru/english/english.html
    said on its website Friday that the magnetic tapes holding the flight information were still wet and that work on deciphering them would begin after they had dried out.

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    Russian professional hockey team Lokomotiv... View Full Caption


    Investigators have not yet been able to pinpoint what caused the Yak-42 jet to crash Wednesday into the banks of the Volga River shortly after takeoff from Yaroslavl, 150 miles (240 kilometers) northeast of Moscow.


    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=14479338

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    The Interstate Aviation Committee http://www.mak.ru/english/english.html

    Google translate of the russian version

    http://translate.google.se/translate....ru%2F&act=url

    and the YAK42 is here

    http://translate.google.se/translate....ru%2F&act=url

    In the laboratory, the Interstate Aviation Committee, which at night were taken on-board recorders (so-called "black boxes"), Yak-42 RA-42 434 that crashed near the airfield of Yaroslavl, carried out their examination and autopsy.
    Appearance recorders and media (magnetic tape) is satisfactory. Magnetic tapes are wet.
    After drying, the tapes started processing the available records.
    Record emergency flight to a carrier.

    09/09/2011
    In the laboratory, the Interstate Aviation Committee, to further the work of processing and decoding of audio recordings and parametric information captured on-board recorders Yak-42 RA-42 434 airline "YakServis" in an emergency flight, held up the information.
    Pretreatment of fixed parametric information to determine that the aircraft before takeoff, the stabilizer was set to 8.7 degrees on the "pitch up" and the flaps were installed in the aircraft take-off position - 20 degrees. The engines worked until the moment of collision with obstacles.

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    Only report s of today

    From ; http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4428da13&opt=0
    On Sep 9th Rostransnador reported, the aircraft had been refueled at Tunoshna Airport uplifting 7 tons of fuel. The aircraft subsequently began its takeoff roll from intersection with taxiway 5 (about 2850 meters of takeoff distance available).

    A surveillance camera showed that the aircraft took off with flaps in takeoff configuration, however rotated past the end of the runway and became airborne just before the localizer antenna.

    Policemen observing the accident reported the aircraft barely got airborne, impacted the localizer antenna, immediately thereafter rolled and turned left and impacted ground.

    Crews have finished gathering fragments of the Yak-42 airplane from the Tunoshonka River, RIA-Novosti reported.

    Read more: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...#ixzz1XTEjjWVh
    The Moscow Times

    Lokomotiv forward Alexander Galimov suffered burns over 90 percent of his body and requires a trachea transplant. Crew member Alexander Sizov suffered burns over 15 percent of his body, as well as fractures to his hips, skull and ribs. (source)
    The runway of
    Yaroslavl airport ,accident was at the far end of picture



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