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    Report, to be presented at a 1230 GMT news conference 29/7, today

    July 29, 2011
    French air accident investigators are expected to provide further insights on Friday into the airliner crash that killed 228 people when an Airbus A330 crashed into the Atlantic two years ago.
    The BEA crash investigation agency will present its latest findings on the disaster, after two months sifting through data from black box flight recorders recovered from the ocean floor in May.
    Its report, to be presented at a 1230 GMT news conference attended by victims' relatives, comes weeks after the second anniversary of the unexplained crash which led to a USD$50 million search operation to recover the black boxes.


    http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1311897815.html

    BY ANDY PASZTOR

    French accident investigators on Friday are expected to release a report confirming their initial findings and offering new details of how pilot errors, combined with a fluke of cockpit automation, led to the 2009 crash of an Air France jet into the Atlantic Ocean, air-safety experts said.
    The latest revelations, according to safety experts and others familiar with them, are likely to add to pressure to revamp training practices to help both new and experienced pilots cope with high-altitude stalls, upsets and faulty airspeed sensors. Such changes are bound to include more emphasis on manual flying techniques.
    Safety experts said ...


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ws_us_business

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    The French BEA have released an executive summary

    The French BEA have released an executive summary of the additions to the preliminary report expected to be released in the next 2 to 3 hours.

    The French BEA also released new safety recommendations mainly recommending to introduce an AoA indication on the cockpit instruments, introducing additional training for manual aircraft control at altitude, additional definitions for the role of a relief captain to ensure proper task sharing in the cockpit as well as recommendations regarding flight data recorders

    http://www.avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1/0069&opt=0


    The executive summary does not provide new details over preliminary report number 2 however lists a number of BEA findings:

    - The Captain’s departure occurred without clear operational instructions

    - The crew composition was in accordance with the operator’s procedures

    - There was no explicit task-sharing between the two copilots

    - The weight and balance of the airplane were within operational limits

    - The crew had noticed returns on the weather radar

    - The crew made a heading change of 12° to the left of its route

    - The AP disconnected while the airplane was flying at upper limit of a slightly turbulent cloud layer

    - There was an inconsistency between the measured speeds, likely as a result of the obstruction of the Pitot probes in an ice crystal environment

    - At the time of the autopilot disconnection, the Captain was resting

    - Even though they identified and announced the loss of the speed indications, neither of the two copilots called the procedure "Unreliable IAS"

    - The copilots had received no high altitude training for the "Unreliable IAS" procedure and manual aircraft handling

    - No standard callouts regarding the differences in pitch attitude and vertical speed were made

    - There is no CRM training for a crew made up of two copilots in a situation with a relief Captain

    - The speed displayed on the left PFD remained invalid for 29 seconds

    - The approach to stall was characterised by the triggering of the warning, then the appearance of buffet

    - A short time after the triggering of the stall warning, the PF applied TO/GA thrust and made a nose-up input

    - In less than one minute after the disconnection of the autopilot, the airplane was outside its flight envelope following the manual inputs that were mainly nose-up

    - Until the airplane was outside its flight envelope, the airplane’s longitudinal movements were consistent with the position of the flight control surfaces

    - Neither of the pilots made any reference to the stall warning

    - Neither of the pilots formally identified the stall situation

    - The invalidity of the speed displayed on the ISIS lasted 54 seconds

    - The Captain came back into the cockpit about 1 min 30 after the autopilot disconnection

    - The angle of attack is the parameter that enables the stall warning to be triggered; if the angle of attack values become invalid, the stall warning stops

    - By design, when the speed measurements were lower than 60 kts, the 3 angle of attack values became invalid

    - Each time the stall warning was triggered, the angle of attack exceeded its theoretical trigger value

    - The stall warning was triggered continuously for 54 seconds

    - The airplane’s angle of attack was not directly displayed to the pilots

    - Throughout the flight, the movements of the elevator and the THS were consistent with the pilot’s inputs

    - The engines were working and always responded to the crew’s inputs

    - No announcement was made to the passengers

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    http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...-new-post.html

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    Who can please shed some light on the copilot´s deficient training the BEA report states.

    "The copilots had received no high altitude tr aining for the "Unreliable IAS" procedure and manual air craft handling".

    I find it hard to believe this. Isn´t this training absolute standard in any simulator training of any serious airline?
    Am I missing anything?

    Thanks

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    Look here

    http://forum.flightradar24.com/threa...ull=1#post8172

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    Jet crash pilots'lacked training' Posted on » Saturday, July 30, 2011

    ARIS: Pilots of a doomed Air France jet which crashed into the Atlantic two years ago killing all 228 people on board ignored stall warnings and appeared to defy the manual, a new crash investigation report showed yesterday.
    The inquiry by France's BEA air accident investigator into the final minutes of flight AF447 found pilots lacked training to handle the freezing of speed sensors and failed to discuss stall alarms as the Airbus jet plummeted 38,000 feet, slamming into the ocean at 200km per hour.


    http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=310843

    How pilots wrestled in vain to save Air France jet

    What do you think? What do you think? What should we do?" The 37-year-old Air France co-pilot with over 6,000 flying hours was running out of ideas as a stall alarm bellowed through the Airbus cockpit for the sixth time in exactly two minutes.
    His junior colleague with two years on the job was already in despair as he battled to control the jet's speed and prevent it rocking left to right in pitch darkness over the Atlantic, on only his second Rio de Janeiro-Paris trip as an A330 pilot.


    http://www.emirates247.com/news/worl...07-30-1.410343

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    French pilots boycott Rio crash probe

    PARIS: French pilots yesterday suspended cooperation with an inquiry into the 2009 crash of an Air France airliner as a dispute over the causes of the disaster opened deep wounds in France’s aeronautics industry.
    The SNPL airline pilots union declared the boycott after it emerged that crash investigators had removed a recommendation about one of the Airbus A330’s systems from an interim report last week, focusing instead on possible pilot error.


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    http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/int...ash-probe.html

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...476362836.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...sI_story.html?

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