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    The debris field from flight AF447,

    Map of Debris field
    France's Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses has released this striking map of the debris field from flight AF447, the Airbus A330-200 which crashed in the South Atlantic in June 2009.




    Open here for bigger picture :

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ris-field.html

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    Black Box From Air France Appear Undamaged

    Black Box Components From Air France Wreckage Appear Undamaged

    Accident investigators over the weekend determined that internal portions of the recorders removed recently from the undersea wreckage of an Air France jetliner were largely dry and undamaged, increasing the likelihood that experts can retrieve important data about the 2009 crash, according to people familiar with the details.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147369560.html

    On May 16th 2011 the BEA announced
    http://avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1/0053&opt=0

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    Black box data clears Airbus in Air France crash probe

    Report: Black box data clears Airbus in Air France crash probe

    (this should not be looked at as facts, comes from one guy ? )

    Paris - European aircraft manufacturer Airbus has been cleared of responsibility in the Air France plane crash of June 2009 by data extracted from one of the plane's black boxes, according to a French newspaper Tuesday.

    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...ce-crash-probe

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    BEA replies to article of Figaro and M&C

    BEA pressrelease17may2011

    http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flig...may2011.fr.php

    Google translation :

    Översättning från franska till engelska


    According to an article in Le Figaro on the evening of Monday, May 16, 2011, the "first elements extracted from the black boxes would put Airbus out of the accident on the A330, Flight 447, which killed 216 passengers and 12 crew members on 1 June 2009.

    Tribute to sensationalism by publishing unconfirmed information while exploiting the data flight recorder has just begun is an affront to the respect of passengers and crew members died and causes trouble among the families of victims who have already undergone many announcement effects. The BEA said that, as part of its mission as the authority for safety investigation, only he can communicate on the progress of the investigation. Thus, any information about the investigation from another source is null and void if it has not been confirmed by the BEA.

    The collection of all data contained in records voice and flight parameters gives us today is virtually certain that all light will be shed on this incident.

    Investigators will now have to analyze and validate various information. This is a long and painstaking and the BEA has already announced he will not issue an interim report before the summer.

    At this stage of investigation, no conclusion can be drawn.

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    And Figaro fights back, blaming Airbus telex

    INFO LE FIGARO - Airbus a envoyé mardi matin un télex d'information à l'ensemble des compagnies aériennes de la planète pour leur annoncer que l'analyse des boîtes noires confirmait la fiabilité de l'A330.



    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fra...air-france.php

    INFO LE FIGARO - Airbus on Tuesday morning a telex sent information to all airlines in the world to tell them that the black box analysis confirmed the reliability of the A330.

    Information to escape and brush the Office of Investigations and Analysis (BEA) at Le Bourget. From yesterday evening, Le Figaro announced that the first elements analyzed on black boxes to Airbus seemed harmless in the tragedy that claimed the lives of 228 people on 1 June 2009. Tuesday morning, the scenario seems to confirm puisqu'Airbus just sent a "Accident Information Telex" including Le Figaro has obtained a copy, to all its customers worldwide. The manufacturer shall indicate the voice of Yannick Malinge, head of security, "at this stage of preliminary analysis of the Flight Data Recorder (recorder flight parameters, Ed), Airbus has no immediate recommendation to to its operators. Updates will be provided as soon as significant items that Airbus will be available or will be authorized to issue more information in accordance with the investigation. "
    Translation: nothing in the initial analysis of black boxes and gives no reason for Airbus to alert its customers of any technical fault of the A330 or any change in procedure. "Airbus has been approached over the weekend by investigators on the BEA flight parameters and technical details found in the FDR, Le Figaro said an expert on aviation safety. Airbus top management should now have a fairly clear idea of ​​what happened. "
    Tuesday morning, the manufacturer had no comment, like Air France, which "looks to reliable and evidence based BEA," according to his spokesman. "We should know more in the day, Le Figaro said a government source. We do not yet have information on the data from Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR that records conversations in the cockpit). They should be critical, especially to understand what makes the crew. "

    Indeed, misinformation, because the same day 17 May 2011

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    Official english version of BEA pressrelease :

    http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flig...may2011.en.php

    and a imortant note : ( from PPrune Thread )

    Apparently, the French term used in aviation for "safety" ("sécurité") is often mis-translated into English as "security" rather than "safety." This means that one of the press releases was referring to a safety issue, not a security issue.

    Adding to the confusion is that the common translation from English into French for safety is sûreté (thanks to infrequentflyer for that) from which root I think comes "surety bond" in English financial parlance.

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    Airbus telex, LE Figaro blames for the article

    This soon looks like a WikkiLeak story or "Watergate" story

    In the first tangible indication of where investigations may be leading, Airbus told airlines on Tuesday that it had no new safety recommendations as a result of officials' first glimpse of the black box data, sources familiar with the matter said.

    Although not released to the public, such industry-wide messages are seen as significant because they can only be issued with the approval of official crash investigators.

    http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1305639833.html

    http://www.pprune.org/italian-forum/...ml#post6454065

    FROM : AIRBUS PRODUCT SAFETY DEPARTMENT TOULOUSE

    ACCIDENT INFORMATION TELEX - ACCIDENT INFORMATION TELEX

    SUBJECT: AF447 ACCIDENT INTO THE ATLANTIC OCEAN

    OUR REF: AF447 AIT 7 dated May 16th 2011

    PREVIOUS REF:
    - Ref 1: AF447 AIT 1 dated June 1st 2009
    - Ref 2: AF447 AIT 2 dated June 4th 2009
    - Ref 3: AF447 AIT 3 dated June 8th 2009
    - Ref 4: AF447 AIT 4 dated July 2nd 2009
    - Ref 5: AF447 AIT 5 dated July 30th 2009
    - Ref 6: AF447 AIT 6 dated April 03rd 2011

    This AIT is an update of the previous AIT 6 concerning the AF447 accident which occurred over the
    Atlantic Ocean on June 1st, 2009.

    It has been approved for release by the French BEA who lead the investigation as per European
    Regulation and ICAO Annex 13 International Recommendations.

    Following underwater search campaigns and subsequent operations, the Digital Flight Data Recorder
    (DFDR) and Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) were recovered.

    Data extraction of both recorders have been performed at the BEA facilities in the presence of two
    German investigators from BFU, an American investigator from NTSB, two British investigators from
    AAIB and two Brazilian investigators from CENIPA, as well as an officer from the French judicial
    police and a court expert.

    Data from DFDR and CVR have been successfully downloaded.

    At this stage of the preliminary analysis of DFDR Airbus has no immediate recommendation to raise
    to operators.

    Further update will be provided as soon as new significant information becomes available or as soon
    as Airbus will be authorized to share more information in compliance with investigation rules.



    Yannick Malinge
    Senior Vice President
    Chief Product Safety Officer
    Airbus

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    Airbus AIT ‘does not include safety recommendation’ in AF447 investigation

    Airbus AIT ‘does not include safety recommendation’ in AF447 investigation

    Airbus confirmed Tuesday that based on the continuing investigation by the FrenchBureau d'Enquetes et d'Analysesinto the causes of the crash of Air France 447 it issued an Accident Information

    http://atwonline.com/operations-main...estigation-05?

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