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    Since the release of the new site today there's loads of bugs appeared when planes on the ground as shown in rivers, planes departing are departing the airfield at right angles to the runway etc. I monitor the Seattle area a whole and currently there's a UPS at the bottom of Lake Washington when on the previous version it would accurately show on the ground at BFI. A Falcon 900 has just landed on interstate 5 and Alaska Express DH8Ds are apparently arriving and departing SEA on a new east/west direction runway which only seems to exist on FR24.

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    C172 on ground at PAE is showing about 5 miles north floating in the Possession Sound. Showed correctly at the eastern side of the airfield at PAE yesterday and earlier.

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    • #3
      New site? Doesn't look any different to yesterday on a PC unless you're seeing something that is being rolled out progressively on different servers.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by airnrail View Post
        New site? Doesn't look any different to yesterday on a PC unless you're seeing something that is being rolled out progressively on different servers.
        Quite clearly changed on my screen. Many small design and layout changes.

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        • #5
          There haven't been any changes to logic that affect the appearance or movement of aircraft, during the last months.
          It was just a very small design update of the plane info panel to match the design of the coming app updates.

          The problem of aircraft appearing in incorrect places is often related the bad data sources or bad transponder.
          - Some older transponders are sending incorrect position. There is really no solution to that. Happens primary to old 737, 757, 767 and Avro's. More info https://www.fr24.com/faq
          - Some feeders sharing data with both Flightaware and FR24 are uploading MLAT data from FA to FR24 as ADS-B data. As ADS-B data is higher priority than MLAT it overwrites our data. We have solutions in place for this, but still sometimes low resolution FA data gets through.
          - In US with also have the problem of US Radar data that is really low quality in many cases.
          The best solution to these problems is more receivers so we get better MLAT data.

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          • #6
            The aircraft add missing data box is terrible, who ever coded it obviously knows nothing about aircraft.

            There are made up ICAO type codes, presumably taken from the junk data in the DB already, really not that difficult to check against the ICAO official data.

            Multiple entries for the same aircraft in the "type" box, presumably again lifted from the DB, where the same type has been entered in multiple ways.

            If you start with junk then you are only going to get more of it, I'm really surprised that this was rolled out as it is, without anyone looking over it first.....

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            • #7
              Thank you for your comment and for all the other comments in the database forums.

              The box was made on specifications by me who has been responsible to building up the FR24 database from the first aircraft to current volume of almost 1.3 million aircraft - probably one of the biggest in the world. The aircraft data has been gathered from more than 100 different sources with different formats and data types. So I think I have some clues about aircraft and the database. On top of 100 data sources we have all forum posts with data updates with very different formats. We are trying as hard as me can to keep the database consistent, but with the enormous volumes and different data sources it's not really possible. We added autocomplete, to get new data as similar to current data as possible, so we don't have people adding "778 Dreamliner" or "Boeing Dreamliner" or "Dreamliner 787-900" to database, which would make it even worse, but let them select data that is already present in database. Making data more consistent is something that is handled on backend and database level and not in the web form.

              From the data that has been submitted not a single aircraft has been processed yet, but we already have a forum team of specialist who have condemned the feature as completely worthless, without even knowing how it is supposed to work or how it will work. Why is everyone so negative?
              The main idea with the tools is to get more data, to get data faster and to get better data, and we are very confident that we will be there once we start processing the data in the next days. I can ensure that no data will be overwritten and if there are possibilities we will keep improving the form.
              Thanks for your support.

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              • #8
                Mike

                Totally agree its about getting more data, quicker and better.

                We added autocomplete, to get new data as similar to current data as possible, so we don't have people adding "778 Dreamliner" or "Boeing Dreamliner" or "Dreamliner 787-900" to database,

                The drop downs in the menu already have this problem so you are only going exaggerate the issue. I have attached an a/c i was updating with the new process only a poor little SIRA but look how many versions there are to choose from, just from how the type has been entered in to the DB.

                I'm not condemning the feature, when its set up properly it will be a great and easy way of adding data, much easier than the forum and much more streamlined for you guys.

                I would be more than happy to assist too!

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                • #9
                  im yet to stumble across the entry page. but was going to suggest it would likely not be a direct write else things would go awry very fast.

                  good to see my hopes correct in that its just another non forum goer method of entry that is screened

                  perhaps add a "source" url field for those to help verifying correct register source info. often the data submitted on the ammentments here appear sourced from Google or other member managed databases which in themselves can be out of date if not managed well.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mike View Post
                    Thank you for your comment and for all the other comments in the database forums.

                    The box was made on specifications by me who has been responsible to building up the FR24 database from the first aircraft to current volume of almost 1.3 million aircraft - probably one of the biggest in the world. The aircraft data has been gathered from more than 100 different sources with different formats and data types. So I think I have some clues about aircraft and the database. On top of 100 data sources we have all forum posts with data updates with very different formats. We are trying as hard as me can to keep the database consistent, but with the enormous volumes and different data sources it's not really possible. We added autocomplete, to get new data as similar to current data as possible, so we don't have people adding "778 Dreamliner" or "Boeing Dreamliner" or "Dreamliner 787-900" to database, which would make it even worse, but let them select data that is already present in database. Making data more consistent is something that is handled on backend and database level and not in the web form.

                    From the data that has been submitted not a single aircraft has been processed yet, but we already have a forum team of specialist who have condemned the feature as completely worthless, without even knowing how it is supposed to work or how it will work. Why is everyone so negative?
                    The main idea with the tools is to get more data, to get data faster and to get better data, and we are very confident that we will be there once we start processing the data in the next days. I can ensure that no data will be overwritten and if there are possibilities we will keep improving the form.
                    Thanks for your support.


                    but we already have a forum team of specialist who have condemned the feature as completely worthless, without even knowing how it is supposed to work

                    From my reading of the posts on the DataBase forum all I could see were questions and or suggestions as to the possible limitation of the new entry method and
                    suggestions. The "Specialists" on the forum spend a lot of time contributing on a voluntary basis to FR24 to help make it the best of it type.

                    The suggestion that a direct entry form be created to allow easier entry and checking of data was made by the "specialists" on the forum some time back
                    and what happened, posts all deleted and posters told to keep to the topic of the forum. No thanks for the idea, no request for suggestions as to how such
                    a method of entering data might be structured.

                    without even knowing how it is supposed to work

                    Well we know how the form is supposed to work and all indications so far are that it does not yet do the job.

                    Are we to see a response to the issues raised on the DataBase forum or will they just be ignored.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oblivian View Post
                      im yet to stumble across the entry page. but was going to suggest it would likely not be a direct write else things would go awry very fast.

                      good to see my hopes correct in that its just another non forum goer method of entry that is screened

                      perhaps add a "source" url field for those to help verifying correct register source info. often the data submitted on the ammentments here appear sourced from Google or other member managed databases which in themselves can be out of date if not managed well.

                      Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
                      Obviously can't speak for others who post, but 99% of the data I post comes from official sites.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mike View Post
                        There haven't been any changes to logic that affect the appearance or movement of aircraft, during the last months.
                        It was just a very small design update of the plane info panel to match the design of the coming app updates.

                        The problem of aircraft appearing in incorrect places is often related the bad data sources or bad transponder.
                        - Some older transponders are sending incorrect position. There is really no solution to that. Happens primary to old 737, 757, 767 and Avro's. More info https://www.fr24.com/faq
                        - Some feeders sharing data with both Flightaware and FR24 are uploading MLAT data from FA to FR24 as ADS-B data. As ADS-B data is higher priority than MLAT it overwrites our data. We have solutions in place for this, but still sometimes low resolution FA data gets through.
                        - In US with also have the problem of US Radar data that is really low quality in many cases.
                        The best solution to these problems is more receivers so we get better MLAT data.
                        Hi Mike, OK, I'll monitor the situation and report back if the oddness continues. I am aware of how the MLATing works and will show all sorts of weirdness if one or more receivers are down, but various planes departing sideways from SEA and showing in the bottom of lakes it's not something I've ever noticed in that area before, and it is well covered by receivers. Interestingly most of the ones affected weren't coming from their hex as the hex field was blank, so it could well be the FA bug that you refer to.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rik130 View Post
                          Hi Mike, OK, I'll monitor the situation and report back if the oddness continues. I am aware of how the MLATing works and will show all sorts of weirdness if one or more receivers are down, but various planes departing sideways from SEA and showing in the bottom of lakes it's not something I've ever noticed in that area before, and it is well covered by receivers. Interestingly most of the ones affected weren't coming from their hex as the hex field was blank, so it could well be the FA bug that you refer to.
                          Try turning off USA/Canada radar and seeing if it does. I headed to seattle and saw a couple of wonky drifters, but no stuck ones. But not at home where I have all but live ADSB/MLAT off
                          Posts not to be taken as official support representation - Just a helpful uploader who tinkers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oblivian View Post
                            Try turning off USA/Canada radar and seeing if it does. I headed to seattle and saw a couple of wonky drifters, but no stuck ones. But not at home where I have all but live ADSB/MLAT off

                            OK Mike I will try that.

                            eta: is that slider essentially the FA feed on/off button then? If I turn it off I'll only see aircraft picked up by their hexie?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rik130 View Post
                              OK Mike I will try that.

                              eta: is that slider essentially the FA feed on/off button then? If I turn it off I'll only see aircraft picked up by their hexie?
                              (not a mike )

                              I *think* so. Well, appears to be. I just noticed the wandering ones were T5M at the time
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