Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoroughly. That and your your flow chart say a lot about the problems.
However, as my needs are specific and far less complicated, I suspect you could have filled in the boxes in less time that it took to think out and write the response.
Maybe I should post a flow chart of what I am doing and you could tell me what I am doing wrong.
I think we have been over it enough that it should be working at least with trial and error on a few unclear steps that I suspect the problem is rooted in the inability to access the local host.
I have spent as much time trying every suggestion I can find for that and nothing works. Judging from the number of "fixes" out there, it seems to be a very common problem.
I have run the programs on several computers and they all have the same problem. There are 5 computers on my home wifi network and none of them can access the local host. Possibly a router issue but I can't find anything there either.
One problem is that not being able to access local host, I have no way of knowing how fr24 is set up.
Your thoughts?
Jack
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Originally posted by k9act View PostProblem is that I have no idea what AVR-TCP is. Googling around, it seems to be piece of hardware based on an AVR chip but don't see what this has to to with my dongal and what I am trying to do with it.
However in this case it's a data source FR24feed is able to accept - just like the others in the list.
Pre-decoded data in "AVR" from an application or device in format starting with *, @ :, via TCP - A network data transport source port instead of direct hardware
Would it have helped if this was written in there? I doubt it as it is only mentioned to be used when there is a decoder ahead of the FR24 software. Which in this instance you are not attempting to setup.
I clearly am no geek of any sort but I usually can get most of these sorts of projects going by working from manuals and user fora but this one just leaves me gasping for air.
The technology behind it and terms used don't normally need to be known for every day use. The second you do will lead to confusion and erroneous info.
Buying the RTL sticks: easy
Needing to install specific drivers: little more than easy
Installing the FR24Feed using the guide and walking away: easy
Wanting to add other programs to use the data outside of the basic setup: hard
You have to remember the RTL release and guides are designed for people who like watching the website and want to contribute data to it where they see data is required. This is done by following the guide and installing the stick and software. That's it. Job Done
- The second you move away from the basic setup to share data and move to the multitude of applications available for your own information out you are going deep and a higher level of understanding is assumed
Surely someone could come up with a step by step process for a rank beginner.
Did you see the complexity of the image I posted for one websites setup? That's more or less a reality (I have 5 programs hanging off each other myself using a different method) unless you have hardware based decoders that take care of part of it, but that is why they cost a bit more.
In the market that FR24 acknowledge there are at least 5 Pieces of hardware to receive the data that FR24feed can talk directly to
There is about 8 separate software packages able to connect to each of these receivers directly also
- Most of these can receive pre-decoded data from other apps that do so, including fr24feed
- Of these at least 5 can also re-send pre-decoded data output in 2-4 different formats to the next
Unfortunately there is no easy fix.
As I pointed out, I am giving up some time to do a flowchart/guide when I can. But I doubt this in itself will be seen an easy guide. It relies on visualizing some basic logic dataflow and a grasp on configuration of all the different software out there to match the formats they accept.
There's not a lot of point me going too mad, it will be like re-writing the guides on sonicgoose and the RTL1090 host webpage that already have visual guides for various setups. But again, they acknowledge there are a multitude of ways to do so.Last edited by Oblivian; 2015-06-17, 03:57.
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Problem is that I have no idea what AVR-TCP is. Googling around, it seems to be piece of hardware based on an AVR chip but don't see what this has to to with my dongal and what I am trying to do with it.
I clearly am no geek of any sort but I usually can get most of these sorts of projects going by working from manuals and user fora but this one just leaves me gasping for air.
Surely someone could come up with a step by step process for a rank beginner.
The "manual" is typical of stuff written by programmers who can not relate to anyone operating at any other level. Explaining jargon with jargon is just not very helpful.
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Originally posted by k9act View PostWhat does the last sentence in the below paragraph mean?
dvbt - DVBT USB dongle connected directly via USB. Only one DVBT dongle can
be used at a time. When using with stand alone dump1090 instance or another
software defined radio demodulator please use the “avr-tcp” receiver type instead.
I have spent most of the day reading and trying to understand the info out there but I simply can not get this thing to work.
The fr24 feeder works fine and the data shows up on the "more info" web page but nothing I have tried will connect it to adsbscope. Nor can I access the "web status/config" page or local host.
About to give up,
Jack
There is RTL1090, Dump1090, ADSB# - all talk direct the hardware by default unless modified.
What that is explaining, is if you WANT to use this other software for anything that need exclusive hardware access. They are better to to go BEFORE FR24feed to talk to the hardware, and the fr24 config reconfigured to a data source of AVR-TCP instead.
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What does the last sentence in the below paragraph mean?
dvbt - DVBT USB dongle connected directly via USB. Only one DVBT dongle can
be used at a time. When using with stand alone dump1090 instance or another
software defined radio demodulator please use the “avr-tcp” receiver type instead.
I have spent most of the day reading and trying to understand the info out there but I simply can not get this thing to work.
The fr24 feeder works fine and the data shows up on the "more info" web page but nothing I have tried will connect it to adsbscope. Nor can I access the "web status/config" page or local host.
About to give up,
Jack
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That's the built in decoder i keep talking about. The feed software is just an uploader and webserver. How you configure it depends on if it talks to the hardware directly (not usb RTL) or launches that app to start the stick
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Originally posted by Oblivian View PostClose, but no cigar. Whole different app and direction it is taking you.
In the task manager, list them by name. And ensure there isn't a 2nd 'fr24feed' process running (a pc restart will also clear this).
> And also no instance of RTL1090 or similar apps running.
Don't know what a similar app might be but this brings up another question.
There is a thing called mr dump 1090 in there and it came in the fr24 zip file.
Haven't a clue what this is but I ran it a few times to see if it had anything to do with the problem and I guess it is still there.
What is this file?
> What you describe is a conflict with same port being open twice (it cant work out how to handle it), or attempting to use HTTPS when it is not a secure mini webserver.
Guess I don't know what that means or how to determine it.
Thanks for the help again,
Jack
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Originally posted by k9act View PostNot sure i understand all that last but doing everything I can do, it still does not feed to adsbscope.
I am thinking that the clue to the problem is the fact that I can not access the local host except sometimes when I first load the program but then it crashes and will not do anything like save or restart or load again. Just an error message as stated above.
I found the following which seems relevant.....
Run tasklist from command prompt and note the process ID for Tomcat
Run netstat -noa and look for the the process ID you noted above. The 2nd column should show you something like 0.0.0.0:xxxxx. If there is an entry here for the process ID for Tomcat then Tomcat is definitely listening for connections properly. If not, Tomcat's broken and you may need to reinstall it or dive into the Tomcat logs (since it seems to be running but not listening properly).
There might be a few entries for the process ID, each giving a different port. Try them all because I believe you can forward one port to another in Tomcat.
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tasklist brings up fr24 with a number when the program is running. If I terminate it, and restart, I get a different number.
no such number shows up when I run the netstat -noa
Some something is wrong according to this person but I haven't a clue what it all means. All I can do is follow instructions.
BTW, I downloaded Virtual Radar thing and gagged at starting a new career to learn how to set it up.
Jack
In the task manager, list them by name. And ensure there isn't a 2nd 'fr24feed' process running (a pc restart will also clear this). And also no instance of RTL1090 or similar apps running. What you describe is a conflict with same port being open twice (it cant work out how to handle it), or attempting to use HTTPS when it is not a secure mini webserver.
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Not sure i understand all that last but doing everything I can do, it still does not feed to adsbscope.
I am thinking that the clue to the problem is the fact that I can not access the local host except sometimes when I first load the program but then it crashes and will not do anything like save or restart or load again. Just an error message as stated above.
I found the following which seems relevant.....
Run tasklist from command prompt and note the process ID for Tomcat
Run netstat -noa and look for the the process ID you noted above. The 2nd column should show you something like 0.0.0.0:xxxxx. If there is an entry here for the process ID for Tomcat then Tomcat is definitely listening for connections properly. If not, Tomcat's broken and you may need to reinstall it or dive into the Tomcat logs (since it seems to be running but not listening properly).
There might be a few entries for the process ID, each giving a different port. Try them all because I believe you can forward one port to another in Tomcat.
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tasklist brings up fr24 with a number when the program is running. If I terminate it, and restart, I get a different number.
no such number shows up when I run the netstat -noa
Some something is wrong according to this person but I haven't a clue what it all means. All I can do is follow instructions.
BTW, I downloaded Virtual Radar thing and gagged at starting a new career to learn how to set it up.
Jack
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Originally posted by hikeofyourlife View PostRaw data (port 30334) is what comes out of RTL1090, ADSB#, etc
--raw=BOOL - Defaults to “no” and decides whether or not the RAW data stream should be
available on port 30334 for all receivers but DVBT which uses port 30002 instead.
Basestation is decoded data in a text format that is decoded and looks something like MSG,0,1,2,3,4 etc
For raw data you would check "binary" and for basestation you would check "normal"
You probably are in the ballpark you just need the right message format
I would also not use ADSBScope like above mentioned you're much better off with VRS, it keeps better logging, only drawback is it doesn't decode TIS-B (DF 18 CA 6)
When I think about it I'll gather a few config examples up and make some flow charts to hopefully help people along. I find the best practice is to draw your stuff on paper first, work out the in/out ports each app has the ability to use, and draw a workflow.
This is on the extreme level, but close to what I do at home
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Raw data (port 30334) is what comes out of RTL1090, ADSB#, etc
Basestation is decoded data in a text format that is decoded and looks something like MSG,0,1,2,3,4 etc
For raw data you would check "binary" and for basestation you would check "normal"
You probably are in the ballpark you just need the right message format
I would also not use ADSBScope like above mentioned you're much better off with VRS, it keeps better logging, only drawback is it doesn't decode TIS-B (DF 18 CA 6)
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As soon as you enable the tick in the RAW-data Client Active it ignores the decoder settings (and connect button will break things)
Note you can see in the status window the 'client: fehler 10060'
The ICAO/Regist bar only appears when it is ready to receive valid data also (be it from a decoder, or network data like I just clicked)
Clicking the status window enables/disables the listening as per the messages there.
From this point, it is a matter of changing the data type in network settings from normal to binary on the possible output ports FR24feed sends out that I have listed until you see stuff.Last edited by Oblivian; 2015-06-15, 22:13.
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Originally posted by k9act View PostHere is another possible issue.
Adsbscope has a pulldown menue for the type of decoder and as the decoder is in FR24feed, I don't see anything relative.
The dongal is just working as a receiver as opposed to also decoder. Is this correct?
BTW, I can't find any relevant definition for AVR. What does it mean?
js
You configure it as it states to open the client receiver only.. IE no receiver directly attached, data provided via network.
To activate the radar display, go to Other > Network and select RAW-data Client active.
/edit actually its possibly a different port number. 30003 for normal data, 30334 for binary/raw or 30002 if using a USB stick
Theres not too many running this configuration, most run VirtualRadarServer for a better graphical view than ADSBscopeLast edited by Oblivian; 2015-06-15, 21:39.
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Here is another possible issue.
Adsbscope has a pulldown menue for the type of decoder and as the decoder is in FR24feed, I don't see anything relative.
The dongal is just working as a receiver as opposed to also decoder. Is this correct?
BTW, I can't find any relevant definition for AVR. What does it mean?
js
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Originally posted by Oblivian View PostNope. I can load mine each time fine. Either you'll have something else opening the same port and conflicting or potentially multiple copies running at once (check task manager)
But if you are on windows you can also terminate it from running and just change the .ini file bs="yes" and raw="yes"
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