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  • rik130
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    Originally posted by iamnothere View Post
    Ya, I think you are right about F-T6M , I guess FR24 was try to protect local ground station who still didn't noticed the situation , but that's not enough cuz all data through network and it's totally under surveillance in China , if they want find someone they can easily track you down when necessary .
    Can you not just tunnel your traffic through a VPN? They wouldn't know what the traffic was then because it's encrypted.

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  • apgphoto
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    FR24 have tried to make the data feeders anonymous by using one code, but as 'iamnothere' says it would be easy to check the data.

    SoNic67 up until this week FR24 didn't filter the data, that's why there is now this situation with the site.

    Full ModeS appears to be working as normal, but with obvious gaps in reception, the MLAT black hole is still working too. Obvious aircraft in the DB have been blocked, the non obvious ones are still appearing.

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  • iamnothere
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    Ya, I think you are right about F-T6M , I guess FR24 was try to protect local ground station who still didn't noticed the situation , but that's not enough cuz all data through network and it's totally under surveillance in China , if they want find someone they can easily track you down when necessary .

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  • airnrail
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    Originally posted by rik130 View Post
    Planes showing no hex code but have the registration populated so presumably coming from a third party.
    I don't watch China much but decided to have a look at this out of curiosity. I can't find any plane over China that does not show a hex code but whether they are correct for particular aircraft might be another issue as I can't decode them. The radar code F-T6M would nearly have to be inserted by FR24 unless the site has been hacked. I also can't see any non-Chinese aircraft over China but interestingly the disputed territories of Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan have normal operations with foreign airlines and FR24 feeders showing up in all three.

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  • rik130
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    Originally posted by SoNic67 View Post
    FR24 and FA will probably have to cut a deal with China's government
    Is there a ROFL smiley on these forums?

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  • SoNic67
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    The Chinese military planes will not have ADS-B, so that's not a "security" issue. But having MLAT pinpointing to their missions is what they don't like.
    Sites like FR24 and FA filter the required planes, but people started to feed to sites that do MLAT and don't filter any of the required flights (like adsbexchange.com). I have signaled this a long time ago, that can be against national security (not only in China, but many other countries), but nobody took it seriously.
    Now I think we see just the beginning of shutting down, just because people are careless. FR24 and FA will probably have to cut a deal with China's government and close the 30005 ports on their devices sent in China and provide MLAT only on "approved" flights (not flying under China's flag).

    When government comes knocking at your door, it's not funny at all; entitled westerners that grew up in freedom, cannot understand that (and some even they vote for communists, because they don't know what it means).
    Last edited by SoNic67; 2018-11-23, 20:32.

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  • Anmer
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    Originally posted by rik130 View Post
    Planes showing no hex code but have the registration populated so presumably coming from a third party.
    Thanks. All the ones I looked at have registration and hex code.

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  • rik130
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    It's full of estimations with no track logs, planes are jumping about all over the country, so clearly no FR mode-s receivers are connected. Where is all the MLAT stuff and all the old rattler 737/757/767 cargo conversions that don't have full ADS-B ?

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  • rik130
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    What is the source of F-T6M ?

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  • rik130
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    Originally posted by Anmer View Post
    What do you mean by "flight registration data"?

    Route, aircraft type, aircraft registration?
    Planes showing no hex code but have the registration populated so presumably coming from a third party.

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  • Anmer
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    Originally posted by rik130 View Post
    All planes in China now show radar as F-T6M which is not coming from mode-s receivers as the errors in the flight registration data are obvious.
    What do you mean by "flight registration data"?

    Route, aircraft type, aircraft registration?

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  • rik130
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    Originally posted by Mike View Post
    We are aware that more receivers than usual are offline in China. We are looking into the situation and are communicating with relevant Chinese authorities.
    So what was the outcome of this? I see that China has become a complete wasteland now on this site. All planes in China now show radar as F-T6M which is not coming from mode-s receivers as the errors in the flight registration data are obvious.

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  • Anmer
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    Thanks for that.

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  • apgphoto
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    Apart from the obvious not being visible. Easy ones to pick out are the AJ27 fleet has "vanished", cargo flights have "vanished", our aircraft that are not full ModeS have "vanished" and I know they are flying. There is though an MLAT black hole where some MLAT flights appear.

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  • Anmer
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    Originally posted by apgphoto View Post
    I see MLAT has been switched off in China
    How do you know that?

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