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  • Originally posted by AirMe View Post
    39CC02 was Aigle Azur not Air Berlin, so correct the database
    And again, some incompetent db-editor deleted the whole aircraft information and I had to restore it...

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    • 010162
      SU-GED
      B738
      Boeing 737-866
      EgyptAir [NO longer in special livery]
      MSR
      MSR

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      • Originally posted by johnor999 View Post
        There are some problems with data related to Jonair (ICAO: JON).

        1.
        ICAO JON belongs to Jonair, not JOON like your database suggests.

        2. The following aircraft have Jonair as the owner, but since this airline isn't correctly defined in the database, if you click on the owner nothing happens.
        SE-MHU B190 4AB515
        SE-MJU BE20 4AB555
        SE-KVL BE20 4AAECC
        SE-LTL BE20 4AB28C
        SE-FNE PA31 4A99C5
        SE-GLE PA31 4A9D85
        Also note that all of the aircraft listed above should have Jonair as both the owner and operator.

        3.
        Jonair recently bought SE-MHU and is now the owner and operator of this aircraft. My source for this is Transportstyrelsen / The Swedish Transportation Agency, which is an official source of information.
        Currently this aircraft is according to your data owned by Hummingbird Aviation / ETI, which is incorrect as of recently. Even though the callsign says ETI, the aircraft is not owned nor operated by ETI.
        I listened in to the ATC at ESNU this morning and clearly heard "JONAIR 22" even though the callsign on FR24 was ETI93U for this particular flight.
        I know you can't do anything about the callsign, I just want to clarify that it doesn't mean anything in this case.

        The data should be:
        Reg: SE-MHU
        Mode S: 4AB515
        MSN: UC-115
        Code: B190
        Airline: Jonair
        Operator: Jonair
        Do you have official proof that Jonair is assigned that code? I have checked the ICAO 8585 and US equivalent JO 7340 documents and it is still officially allocated to JOON. There is no mention of any change in the changes/additions/contractions supplements through to 30 October 2019.
        ch-aviation data says that JON is their ICAO-code. Their callsigns showed up as for example JON31, JON32 etc in data from Swedavia that was available through WebTrak some months ago. Sadly, they shut down public access to WebTrak so it can't be checked at the moment. They use callsign "Jonair 31", "Jonair 32" etc on the radio, which can be verified with liveatc.net. Filing a flight with callsign JON31 when you use callsign "Jonair 31" on the radio makes no sense if JON wasn't their ICAO code. If JON was a fake code, I would expect them to use callsign Juliet-Oscar-November-3-1, not Jonair 31.

        If despite all of the above JON isn't their ICAO-code, then just create a page for them without any codes. They are a legitimate airline that operates commercial flights. Both scheduled passenger service and ad-hoc charter flights. JOON on the other hand don't even officially exist anymore so it makes no sense for them to have a FR24 page or ICAO-code for that matter.

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        • In any case I don't beleive the standard dbeditors can change fleet/airline data (which is why those threads were taken away). Just assign aircraft records the existing ones from an available list. (which is made up of the shortcodes in the background)

          This also doesn't bode well for them - so perhaps they don't have any recognized ICAO attribution either.
          Note that tickets can be bought from the Jonair website but not from travel agent websites, since Jonair has no IATA code and is not connected to the travel agency ticket systems.
          Posts not to be taken as official support representation - Just a helpful uploader who tinkers

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          • Originally posted by Oblivian View Post
            In any case I don't beleive the standard dbeditors can change fleet/airline data (which is why those threads were taken away). Just assign aircraft records the existing ones from an available list. (which is made up of the shortcodes in the background)

            This also doesn't bode well for them - so perhaps they don't have any recognized ICAO attribution either.
            Nevertheless, SE-MHU should be fixable by standard dbeditors. It is owned and operated by Jonair according to the Swedish Transport Agency, which is an official source that can be checked by anyone. FR24 even shows their callsign as JON06 now.

            The data should be:
            Reg: SE-MHU
            Mode S: 4AB515
            MSN: UC-115
            Code: B190
            Airline: Jonair
            Operator: Jonair

            EDIT: I contacted the airline and it's actually true that they don't have an ICAO-code (or IATA-code although I already knew that). Anyway, shouldn't it be possible to add them to the database as an airline anyway? How would I go about getting it fixed if this is not a good thread for that?
            Last edited by johnor999; 2019-12-17, 15:23.

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            • JA01VA is not Vanilla Air, currently ANA. Please correct database and also please remove photo of Vanilla Air.

              8406B0
              JA01VA
              A320
              Airbus A320-214
              5844
              All Nippon Airways
              ANA
              ANA

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              • Originally posted by johnor999 View Post



                ch-aviation data says that JON is their ICAO-code. Their callsigns showed up as for example JON31, JON32 etc in data from Swedavia that was available through WebTrak some months ago. Sadly, they shut down public access to WebTrak so it can't be checked at the moment. They use callsign "Jonair 31", "Jonair 32" etc on the radio, which can be verified with liveatc.net. Filing a flight with callsign JON31 when you use callsign "Jonair 31" on the radio makes no sense if JON wasn't their ICAO code. If JON was a fake code, I would expect them to use callsign Juliet-Oscar-November-3-1, not Jonair 31.

                If despite all of the above JON isn't their ICAO-code, then just create a page for them without any codes. They are a legitimate airline that operates commercial flights. Both scheduled passenger service and ad-hoc charter flights. JOON on the other hand don't even officially exist anymore so it makes no sense for them to have a FR24 page or ICAO-code for that matter.
                FAA's ICAO code document shows JON belogs to the French airline Joon. You can see all ICAO codes here: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...d_10_10_19.pdf

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                • Dear whom may it concern,

                  Thank you for correcting information of JA01VA, however, there are still some photos of Vanilla Air which was old operator. So please remove photos of Vanilla Air.

                  8406B0
                  JA01VA
                  A320
                  Airbus A320-214
                  5844
                  All Nippon Airways
                  ANA
                  ANA

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                  • Originally posted by KKazu View Post
                    Dear whom may it concern,

                    Thank you for correcting information of JA01VA, however, there are still some photos of Vanilla Air which was old operator. So please remove photos of Vanilla Air.

                    8406B0
                    JA01VA
                    A320
                    Airbus A320-214
                    5844
                    All Nippon Airways
                    ANA
                    ANA
                    Photos are on jetphotos.com

                    They are not stored here

                    They tie to the reg

                    New photos need to be updated to jetphotos.com
                    Posts not to be taken as official support representation - Just a helpful uploader who tinkers

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                    • Avianca AVA yesterday retired the last A318 from the fleet, all A318 have to be removed from database:

                      A7976B
                      N589AV
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2575
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      29 Sep 2005
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                      A79DD6
                      N590EL
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2328
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      15 Oct 2004
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                      A7A544
                      N592EL
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2358
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      19 Nov 2004
                      ----------------------


                      A7B420
                      N596EL
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2523
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      29 Jun 2005
                      ----------------------


                      A7B7D7
                      N597EL
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2544
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      3 Aug 2005
                      ----------------------


                      A7BB8E
                      N598EL
                      Airbus A318-111
                      2552
                      AVIANCA
                      AVA
                      24 Aug 2005

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                      • 7C1B2B
                        VH-FNH
                        PC12
                        Pilatus PC-12/47E
                        1913
                        R.F.D.S. Australia
                        2019-12-00

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                        • 7C2E33
                          VH-JET
                          B350
                          Textron B300 Super King Air

                          FL-1197
                          Private
                          2019-12-00

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                          • 8A044F
                            PK-GAF (error)
                            AT76 (error) should be B737

                            This is a B737 erroneously listed as a AT76. some of the flights are not possible to be done with a AT76

                            Refering to PK-GAF's flight history, it has made flights at distances and attitude that could only be carried out by the B737 but the database records the aircraft as ATR72-600.

                            Do check out 12 Dec 19 (Singapore Surabaya), 11 Dec (Perth Denpasar) and 7 Dec (Denpasar Guangzhou), the these are unlikely to be ATR flights and ATR is unable to reach 35,000 ft,

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                            • Originally posted by ponders View Post
                              8A044F
                              PK-GAF (error)
                              AT76 (error) should be B737

                              This is a B737 erroneously listed as a AT76. some of the flights are not possible to be done with a AT76

                              Refering to PK-GAF's flight history, it has made flights at distances and attitude that could only be carried out by the B737 but the database records the aircraft as ATR72-600.

                              Do check out 12 Dec 19 (Singapore Surabaya), 11 Dec (Perth Denpasar) and 7 Dec (Denpasar Guangzhou), the these are unlikely to be ATR flights and ATR is unable to reach 35,000 ft,
                              The details are correct, but 8A044F is also being used by B738 PK-GNN, miscoded.
                              Don't know the ICAO type code? Look it up here.

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                              • 8964FF
                                A6-BMD
                                B78X
                                Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner
                                60758
                                Etihad Airways
                                ETD (ADNOC - Choose China Livery)
                                ETD
                                2018-12-11

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