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Originally posted by johnor999 View PostThere are some problems with data related to Jonair (ICAO: JON).
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ICAO JON belongs to Jonair, not JOON like your database suggests.
2. The following aircraft have Jonair as the owner, but since this airline isn't correctly defined in the database, if you click on the owner nothing happens.
SE-MHU B190 4AB515
SE-MJU BE20 4AB555
SE-KVL BE20 4AAECC
SE-LTL BE20 4AB28C
SE-FNE PA31 4A99C5
SE-GLE PA31 4A9D85
Also note that all of the aircraft listed above should have Jonair as both the owner and operator.
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Jonair recently bought SE-MHU and is now the owner and operator of this aircraft. My source for this is Transportstyrelsen / The Swedish Transportation Agency, which is an official source of information.
Currently this aircraft is according to your data owned by Hummingbird Aviation / ETI, which is incorrect as of recently. Even though the callsign says ETI, the aircraft is not owned nor operated by ETI.
I listened in to the ATC at ESNU this morning and clearly heard "JONAIR 22" even though the callsign on FR24 was ETI93U for this particular flight.
I know you can't do anything about the callsign, I just want to clarify that it doesn't mean anything in this case.
The data should be:
Reg: SE-MHU
Mode S: 4AB515
MSN: UC-115
Code: B190
Airline: Jonair
Operator: JonairDo you have official proof that Jonair is assigned that code? I have checked the ICAO 8585 and US equivalent JO 7340 documents and it is still officially allocated to JOON. There is no mention of any change in the changes/additions/contractions supplements through to 30 October 2019.
If despite all of the above JON isn't their ICAO-code, then just create a page for them without any codes. They are a legitimate airline that operates commercial flights. Both scheduled passenger service and ad-hoc charter flights. JOON on the other hand don't even officially exist anymore so it makes no sense for them to have a FR24 page or ICAO-code for that matter.
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In any case I don't beleive the standard dbeditors can change fleet/airline data (which is why those threads were taken away). Just assign aircraft records the existing ones from an available list. (which is made up of the shortcodes in the background)
This also doesn't bode well for them - so perhaps they don't have any recognized ICAO attribution either.
Note that tickets can be bought from the Jonair website but not from travel agent websites, since Jonair has no IATA code and is not connected to the travel agency ticket systems.Posts not to be taken as official support representation - Just a helpful uploader who tinkers
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Originally posted by Oblivian View PostIn any case I don't beleive the standard dbeditors can change fleet/airline data (which is why those threads were taken away). Just assign aircraft records the existing ones from an available list. (which is made up of the shortcodes in the background)
This also doesn't bode well for them - so perhaps they don't have any recognized ICAO attribution either.
The data should be:
Reg: SE-MHU
Mode S: 4AB515
MSN: UC-115
Code: B190
Airline: Jonair
Operator: Jonair
EDIT: I contacted the airline and it's actually true that they don't have an ICAO-code (or IATA-code although I already knew that). Anyway, shouldn't it be possible to add them to the database as an airline anyway? How would I go about getting it fixed if this is not a good thread for that?Last edited by johnor999; 2019-12-17, 15:23.
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Originally posted by johnor999 View Post
ch-aviation data says that JON is their ICAO-code. Their callsigns showed up as for example JON31, JON32 etc in data from Swedavia that was available through WebTrak some months ago. Sadly, they shut down public access to WebTrak so it can't be checked at the moment. They use callsign "Jonair 31", "Jonair 32" etc on the radio, which can be verified with liveatc.net. Filing a flight with callsign JON31 when you use callsign "Jonair 31" on the radio makes no sense if JON wasn't their ICAO code. If JON was a fake code, I would expect them to use callsign Juliet-Oscar-November-3-1, not Jonair 31.
If despite all of the above JON isn't their ICAO-code, then just create a page for them without any codes. They are a legitimate airline that operates commercial flights. Both scheduled passenger service and ad-hoc charter flights. JOON on the other hand don't even officially exist anymore so it makes no sense for them to have a FR24 page or ICAO-code for that matter.
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Dear whom may it concern,
Thank you for correcting information of JA01VA, however, there are still some photos of Vanilla Air which was old operator. So please remove photos of Vanilla Air.
8406B0
JA01VA
A320
Airbus A320-214
5844
All Nippon Airways
ANA
ANA
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Originally posted by KKazu View PostDear whom may it concern,
Thank you for correcting information of JA01VA, however, there are still some photos of Vanilla Air which was old operator. So please remove photos of Vanilla Air.
8406B0
JA01VA
A320
Airbus A320-214
5844
All Nippon Airways
ANA
ANA
They are not stored here
They tie to the reg
New photos need to be updated to jetphotos.comPosts not to be taken as official support representation - Just a helpful uploader who tinkers
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Avianca AVA yesterday retired the last A318 from the fleet, all A318 have to be removed from database:
A7976B
N589AV
Airbus A318-111
2575
AVIANCA
AVA
29 Sep 2005
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A79DD6
N590EL
Airbus A318-111
2328
AVIANCA
AVA
15 Oct 2004
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A7A544
N592EL
Airbus A318-111
2358
AVIANCA
AVA
19 Nov 2004
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A7B420
N596EL
Airbus A318-111
2523
AVIANCA
AVA
29 Jun 2005
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A7B7D7
N597EL
Airbus A318-111
2544
AVIANCA
AVA
3 Aug 2005
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A7BB8E
N598EL
Airbus A318-111
2552
AVIANCA
AVA
24 Aug 2005
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8A044F
PK-GAF (error)
AT76 (error) should be B737
This is a B737 erroneously listed as a AT76. some of the flights are not possible to be done with a AT76
Refering to PK-GAF's flight history, it has made flights at distances and attitude that could only be carried out by the B737 but the database records the aircraft as ATR72-600.
Do check out 12 Dec 19 (Singapore Surabaya), 11 Dec (Perth Denpasar) and 7 Dec (Denpasar Guangzhou), the these are unlikely to be ATR flights and ATR is unable to reach 35,000 ft,
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Originally posted by ponders View Post8A044F
PK-GAF (error)
AT76 (error) should be B737
This is a B737 erroneously listed as a AT76. some of the flights are not possible to be done with a AT76
Refering to PK-GAF's flight history, it has made flights at distances and attitude that could only be carried out by the B737 but the database records the aircraft as ATR72-600.
Do check out 12 Dec 19 (Singapore Surabaya), 11 Dec (Perth Denpasar) and 7 Dec (Denpasar Guangzhou), the these are unlikely to be ATR flights and ATR is unable to reach 35,000 ft,Don't know the ICAO type code? Look it up here.
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