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  • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
    Thank you. Nice to get a response.
    I think the reason for all this is that FAA have send out a revision to Boeing Type Certificates.
    (now I take B777 because is easy to overview) FAA Revision 40 to TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET NO. T00001SE dated August 12, 2016.

    rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/8bff0e63469dd8eb862580190055ffa6/$FILE/T00001SE_Rev40.pdf

    On page 16 you find this short paragraph, which show the previous models, and the future model number (from Line no 1415):

    Model Eligible Serial Numbers (sorry for the bad layout - tabulator is not available here).
    777-F16 38091, 41518
    777-F28 32965-32967, 32969
    777-F60 42031-42034
    777-F1B 37309-37314, 41632-41637
    777-F1H 35606-35613, 42230-42234
    777-F6N 37708, 37710, 37711, 37713-37717, 41817, 41846
    777-FBT 41674-41678
    777-FDZ 36098-36100, 39644, 39645, 41427, 42298, 42299, 62083, 62085
    777-FEZ 62631
    777-FFG 60337- 60339
    777-FFT 44678-44685
    777-FFX 39682, 39691-39692, 62744, 62745
    777-FHT 37138, 38969, 39285, 39286
    777-FZB 37986-37989
    777-FZN 36001-36004, 36198-36201
    777-FB5 37638-37642
    777-FS2 37137, 37721-37730, 37732-37735, 38707, 40674, 40675, 41064-41067, 41439,41749
    777F Reserved for new serial numbers after Line Number 1415.

    Now, my post is not to make any disturbances, but to raise the question, and if so, to make the FR24 database correct.
    All of the models excluding the 737 Max and 787 had their type certificate updated. The reason for this was two-fold :

    1. to streamline and simplify the administration and paperwork at the Boeing facilities.
    2. to streamline and simplify the administration and paperwork with the regulatory aviation bodies around the world when it came to certifying new models*.

    * The Netherlands is a good example of this : you may note that the 737-700NG and -800NG type certificates are 737-7K2 and 737-8K2 respectively - there is no 737-706 or 737-806 (KLM) as it would have required a separate certification on the "old" system.

    How you choose to index the airframes depends on personal preference. If you only wish to go as deep as the airframe data placard then yes, you could say that all frames since the type certificate revision should be indexed as 737-700, 777F etc. But the picture is much larger than that and the firing order configuration identifier (or customer code if you prefer) still plays a key part in the manufacturing process of the airframes. So to claim that they no longer exist and are being reported erroneously is incorrect.

    This website lists the airframes with their full data set so I guess that is what they prefer.

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    • Thank you for the answer. First I want to say that I can follow you in your wish to have full data on FR24. But then the B737 MAX, B787 and B747 doesn't fit into your wish.
      Never the less, now I got my view and my question turned around, so I say thank you.

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      • Corrections needed for RYANAIR fleet. EI-DWH is listed twice; EI-EKR is listed three times. Thus the 737-800 fleet appears to have three more aircraft than it actually does.
        JET2 Boeing 737-300 fleet. Need to remove G-CELA which went to Kemble some months ago.

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        • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
          Thank you for the answer. First I want to say that I can follow you in your wish to have full data on FR24. But then the B737 MAX, B787 and B747 doesn't fit into your wish.
          Never the less, now I got my view and my question turned around, so I say thank you.
          The 737 Max and 787 use a different method to determine the firing order configuration internally. These models have never had a 3 character customer identifier despite some websites showing them as 787-881 for example. They are all simply 737-8, 787-8 both internally and on the manufacturer data placard onboard the plane.

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          • 89602A
            1207
            P180
            Piaggio P-180 Avanti
            1202
            United Arab Emirates Air Force
            UAF


            Its blocked but the serial tie up is incorrect in the DB

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            • Please make correction of the following informations:


              E489BA
              wrong registration: FAB2004
              currently: FAB2013

              E489BA
              FAB2013
              E120
              Embraer C-97
              120324
              Brazilian Air Force
              -------------------------------

              D0746F
              wrong registration: FAB2003
              currently: FAB2004

              D0746F
              FAB2004
              E120
              Embraer C-97
              120066
              Brazilian Air Force
              -------------------------------

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              • The following aircraft changed of HEX and registration (transfer from Germany to Belgium):

                3D2237 => 44D86B
                D-ELFB => OO-VCK
                C172
                Cessna 172SP => Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
                172S9837
                Vliegclub Grimbergen

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                • Originally posted by F-KRNT2 View Post
                  The 737 Max and 787 use a different method to determine the firing order configuration internally. These models have never had a 3 character customer identifier despite some websites showing them as 787-881 for example. They are all simply 737-8, 787-8 both internally and on the manufacturer data placard onboard the plane.
                  Are you sure these numbers are anything but internal Boeing codes?
                  I have now checked a few national aviation authorities (Australia, USA, Ireland, Canada, The UK and The Netherlands), they all register the new B737-800 as just B737-800. There are no customer identifier anymore.
                  Last edited by ekrk5; 2018-02-07, 19:23.

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                  • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
                    Are you sure these numbers are anything but internal Boeing codes?
                    I have now checked a few national aviation authorities (Australia, USA, Ireland, Canada, The UK and The Netherlands), they all register the new B737-800 as just B737-800. There are no customer identifier anymore.
                    Please refer to the first 3 lines of post #5316.

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                    • Originally posted by F-KRNT2 View Post
                      Please refer to the first 3 lines of post #5316.
                      Never mind. I have now stated that your 3 character customer are used by no Civil Aviation Authority around the World.
                      I have pointed out that there are no correlation with the data in FR24 and the official aircraft registers.
                      And so be it. I will make no further remarks to this case (I think). Best regards.

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                      • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
                        Never mind. I have now stated that your 3 character customer are used by no Civil Aviation Authority around the World.
                        I have pointed out that there are no correlation with the data in FR24 and the official aircraft registers.
                        And so be it. I will make no further remarks to this case (I think). Best regards.
                        I am unsure if you are being intentionally argumentative for the sake of it or you have not bothered to read what I have written in my previous posts. My explanation was clear enough I thought.

                        Regarding your comment above which I have highlighted, here are 3 examples plucked at random from various official registers whom you claim don't use them:

                        EI-DHA THE BOEING COMPANY BOEING 737-8AS LAND AEROPLANE 01/02/2005 66990 2005 33571 4CA256 CFM CFM56-7B26 2 RYANAIR DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY RYANAIR DUBLIN OFFICE, AIRSIDE BUSINESS PARK, SWORDS, CO. DUBLIN

                        N8301J
                        Serial Number 36980 Status Valid
                        Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 03/08/2012
                        Model 737-8H4 Expiration Date 03/31/2021
                        Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-fan
                        Pending Number Change None Dealer No
                        Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 52655336
                        MFR Year 2012 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) AB5ADE
                        Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO

                        MARK:
                        G-STBA
                        CURRENT REG. DATE:
                        09-Jul-2010
                        PREVIOUS ID:
                        NEW USA
                        DE-REG. DATE:
                        STATUS:
                        Registered
                        TO:
                        View Registration History
                        AIRCRAFT DETAILS
                        MANUFACTURER:
                        BOEING COMPANY
                        TYPE:
                        BOEING 777-336ER

                        Once again, I repeat what I said in my earlier post : both data sets are technically correct so how you choose to index the airframes is a personal preference. If the extra characters bother you then simply ignore them. Flightradar24 owners seem content with their current format and I think it is unlikely that they will spend several days changing c.700 frames for reasons that amount to nothing more than irrelevant semantics.

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                        • A16681
                          N19H
                          GLF5
                          Gulfstream V
                          622
                          Hubbard Broadcasting INC
                          2000-00-00

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                          • A5B4C0
                            N467MS
                            TBM9
                            Socata TBM-900
                            1015
                            Private owner
                            2014-00-00

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                            • A6329E
                              N499MD
                              C68A
                              Cessna 680A Citation Latitude
                              680A-0100
                              Private owner
                              2017-00-00

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                              • 488CCE
                                SP-DGO
                                M28
                                PZL-Mielec M-28 Skytruck
                                Don't know the ICAO type code? Look it up here.

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