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  • The models listed in the TCDS are just for reference they are all contained under the version 777F (in your example), the customer codes have no relevance to the TCDS and only the version is subject to the TCDS. The EASA TCDS for the 777 sensibly doesn't even mention the customer codes.

    That TCDS is not about the change in customer codes anyway.

    Someone at FR24 needs to make a decision as to which way they want to go with the marketing model or the internal Boeing model, presumably with the "700+ incorrect " aircraft they have already decided!

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    • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
      Thank you. Nice to get a response.
      I think the reason for all this is that FAA have send out a revision to Boeing Type Certificates.
      (now I take B777 because is easy to overview) FAA Revision 40 to TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET NO. T00001SE dated August 12, 2016.

      rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/8bff0e63469dd8eb862580190055ffa6/$FILE/T00001SE_Rev40.pdf

      On page 16 you find this short paragraph, which show the previous models, and the future model number (from Line no 1415):

      Model Eligible Serial Numbers (sorry for the bad layout - tabulator is not available here).
      777-F16 38091, 41518
      777-F28 32965-32967, 32969
      777-F60 42031-42034
      777-F1B 37309-37314, 41632-41637
      777-F1H 35606-35613, 42230-42234
      777-F6N 37708, 37710, 37711, 37713-37717, 41817, 41846
      777-FBT 41674-41678
      777-FDZ 36098-36100, 39644, 39645, 41427, 42298, 42299, 62083, 62085
      777-FEZ 62631
      777-FFG 60337- 60339
      777-FFT 44678-44685
      777-FFX 39682, 39691-39692, 62744, 62745
      777-FHT 37138, 38969, 39285, 39286
      777-FZB 37986-37989
      777-FZN 36001-36004, 36198-36201
      777-FB5 37638-37642
      777-FS2 37137, 37721-37730, 37732-37735, 38707, 40674, 40675, 41064-41067, 41439,41749
      777F Reserved for new serial numbers after Line Number 1415.

      Now, my post is not to make any disturbances, but to raise the question, and if so, to make the FR24 database correct.
      All of the models excluding the 737 Max and 787 had their type certificate updated. The reason for this was two-fold :

      1. to streamline and simplify the administration and paperwork at the Boeing facilities.
      2. to streamline and simplify the administration and paperwork with the regulatory aviation bodies around the world when it came to certifying new models*.

      * The Netherlands is a good example of this : you may note that the 737-700NG and -800NG type certificates are 737-7K2 and 737-8K2 respectively - there is no 737-706 or 737-806 (KLM) as it would have required a separate certification on the "old" system.

      How you choose to index the airframes depends on personal preference. If you only wish to go as deep as the airframe data placard then yes, you could say that all frames since the type certificate revision should be indexed as 737-700, 777F etc. But the picture is much larger than that and the firing order configuration identifier (or customer code if you prefer) still plays a key part in the manufacturing process of the airframes. So to claim that they no longer exist and are being reported erroneously is incorrect.

      This website lists the airframes with their full data set so I guess that is what they prefer.

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      • Thank you for the answer. First I want to say that I can follow you in your wish to have full data on FR24. But then the B737 MAX, B787 and B747 doesn't fit into your wish.
        Never the less, now I got my view and my question turned around, so I say thank you.

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        • Corrections needed for RYANAIR fleet. EI-DWH is listed twice; EI-EKR is listed three times. Thus the 737-800 fleet appears to have three more aircraft than it actually does.
          JET2 Boeing 737-300 fleet. Need to remove G-CELA which went to Kemble some months ago.

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          • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
            Thank you for the answer. First I want to say that I can follow you in your wish to have full data on FR24. But then the B737 MAX, B787 and B747 doesn't fit into your wish.
            Never the less, now I got my view and my question turned around, so I say thank you.
            The 737 Max and 787 use a different method to determine the firing order configuration internally. These models have never had a 3 character customer identifier despite some websites showing them as 787-881 for example. They are all simply 737-8, 787-8 both internally and on the manufacturer data placard onboard the plane.

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            • 89602A
              1207
              P180
              Piaggio P-180 Avanti
              1202
              United Arab Emirates Air Force
              UAF


              Its blocked but the serial tie up is incorrect in the DB

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              • Please make correction of the following informations:


                E489BA
                wrong registration: FAB2004
                currently: FAB2013

                E489BA
                FAB2013
                E120
                Embraer C-97
                120324
                Brazilian Air Force
                -------------------------------

                D0746F
                wrong registration: FAB2003
                currently: FAB2004

                D0746F
                FAB2004
                E120
                Embraer C-97
                120066
                Brazilian Air Force
                -------------------------------

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                • The following aircraft changed of HEX and registration (transfer from Germany to Belgium):

                  3D2237 => 44D86B
                  D-ELFB => OO-VCK
                  C172
                  Cessna 172SP => Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP
                  172S9837
                  Vliegclub Grimbergen

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                  • Originally posted by F-KRNT2 View Post
                    The 737 Max and 787 use a different method to determine the firing order configuration internally. These models have never had a 3 character customer identifier despite some websites showing them as 787-881 for example. They are all simply 737-8, 787-8 both internally and on the manufacturer data placard onboard the plane.
                    Are you sure these numbers are anything but internal Boeing codes?
                    I have now checked a few national aviation authorities (Australia, USA, Ireland, Canada, The UK and The Netherlands), they all register the new B737-800 as just B737-800. There are no customer identifier anymore.
                    Last edited by ekrk5; 2018-02-07, 19:23.

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                    • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
                      Are you sure these numbers are anything but internal Boeing codes?
                      I have now checked a few national aviation authorities (Australia, USA, Ireland, Canada, The UK and The Netherlands), they all register the new B737-800 as just B737-800. There are no customer identifier anymore.
                      Please refer to the first 3 lines of post #5316.

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                      • Originally posted by F-KRNT2 View Post
                        Please refer to the first 3 lines of post #5316.
                        Never mind. I have now stated that your 3 character customer are used by no Civil Aviation Authority around the World.
                        I have pointed out that there are no correlation with the data in FR24 and the official aircraft registers.
                        And so be it. I will make no further remarks to this case (I think). Best regards.

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                        • Originally posted by ekrk5 View Post
                          Never mind. I have now stated that your 3 character customer are used by no Civil Aviation Authority around the World.
                          I have pointed out that there are no correlation with the data in FR24 and the official aircraft registers.
                          And so be it. I will make no further remarks to this case (I think). Best regards.
                          I am unsure if you are being intentionally argumentative for the sake of it or you have not bothered to read what I have written in my previous posts. My explanation was clear enough I thought.

                          Regarding your comment above which I have highlighted, here are 3 examples plucked at random from various official registers whom you claim don't use them:

                          EI-DHA THE BOEING COMPANY BOEING 737-8AS LAND AEROPLANE 01/02/2005 66990 2005 33571 4CA256 CFM CFM56-7B26 2 RYANAIR DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY RYANAIR DUBLIN OFFICE, AIRSIDE BUSINESS PARK, SWORDS, CO. DUBLIN

                          N8301J
                          Serial Number 36980 Status Valid
                          Manufacturer Name BOEING Certificate Issue Date 03/08/2012
                          Model 737-8H4 Expiration Date 03/31/2021
                          Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-fan
                          Pending Number Change None Dealer No
                          Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 52655336
                          MFR Year 2012 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) AB5ADE
                          Type Registration Corporation Fractional Owner NO

                          MARK:
                          G-STBA
                          CURRENT REG. DATE:
                          09-Jul-2010
                          PREVIOUS ID:
                          NEW USA
                          DE-REG. DATE:
                          STATUS:
                          Registered
                          TO:
                          View Registration History
                          AIRCRAFT DETAILS
                          MANUFACTURER:
                          BOEING COMPANY
                          TYPE:
                          BOEING 777-336ER

                          Once again, I repeat what I said in my earlier post : both data sets are technically correct so how you choose to index the airframes is a personal preference. If the extra characters bother you then simply ignore them. Flightradar24 owners seem content with their current format and I think it is unlikely that they will spend several days changing c.700 frames for reasons that amount to nothing more than irrelevant semantics.

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                          • A16681
                            N19H
                            GLF5
                            Gulfstream V
                            622
                            Hubbard Broadcasting INC
                            2000-00-00

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                            • A5B4C0
                              N467MS
                              TBM9
                              Socata TBM-900
                              1015
                              Private owner
                              2014-00-00

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                              • A6329E
                                N499MD
                                C68A
                                Cessna 680A Citation Latitude
                                680A-0100
                                Private owner
                                2017-00-00

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