Discussion about Flightradar24 database

[Oblivian]

Then it likely is in this category

Do NOT post 'speculative' hex codes - for example, undelivered airframes. If editors cannot find evidence of an active hex record or 'ping' received then it will be excluded

[bar182]

Then it likely is in this category

I see... Well I know the code is not speculative but no problem I will wait until the aircraft start flying

[Oblivian]

157707
96007 now registration without prefix RA-
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10728491

I don't know how the editor's are going to address this
just because presumably Russia wants to hide its aircraft from being easily associated.

Doesn't mean the reg has suddenly changed.
Nor that it needs to match photos just so they show.

Far as I know The Chicago convention still says it must be.prefixed. and RA is the allocated prefix for Russia?

[NorskeTroll]

I don't know how the editor's are going to address this
just because presumably Russia wants to hide its aircraft from being easily associated.

Doesn't mean the reg has suddenly changed.
Nor that it needs to match photos just so they show.

Far as I know The Chicago convention still says it must be.prefixed. and RA is the allocated prefix for Russia?

There are 3 types of registrations in Russia:
The first with the prefix RA-***, these aircraft have a certificate allowing flights in accordance with the Chicago Convention.
The second one with the RF-*** prefix, these are military aircraft and helicopters, as well as passenger and cargo aircraft belonging to military departments.
Third, this is without a prefix at all. This includes airplanes and helicopters that are not certified according to the Chicago Convention and are used on the territory of Russia. Usually these are test, experimental, test or service aircraft of aircraft factories or aviation research institutes. They are prohibited from carrying passengers or operating commercial flights.
In our case, Ilyushin Il-96 reg. 96007 was removed from regular airlines and transferred to the "aviation industry" for testing PS-90 engines.

Sorry, for my english

[bar182]

Hey I am writing here since its airlines update and not aircraft

Challenge Group is starting to operate its 3rd airline "Challenge Airlines MT" with a new code
The group consits of:

"Challenge Airlines IL" (Israel) , Codes ICL/5C
Aircraft: 4X-ICA

"Challenge Airlines BE" (Belgium) , Codes CHG/X7
Aircrafts: OO-ACE, OO-ACF, OE-LRG

"Challenge Airlines MT" (Malta) Code CHZ (new airline no IATA code yet)
Aircraft: 9H-CAD

More aircrafts coming soon

[ASAAD]

I am still waiting to activate aircrafts photos over FR24 , still not added .
thank you

0180A3
5A-BRD
00300243
A320-214
04519
BERNIQ AIRWAYS

0180A1
5A-BRC
00300241
A320-214
04376
BERNIQ AIRWAYS



Photo Upload (planespotters.net)

[Oblivian]

I am still waiting to activate aircrafts photos over FR24 , still not added .
thank you

0180A3
5A-BRD
00300243
A320-214
04519
BERNIQ AIRWAYS

0180A1
5A-BRC
00300241
A320-214
04376
BERNIQ AIRWAYS



Photo Upload (planespotters.net)

Fr24 has nothing to do with the photos

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/5a-brc

The data is there. Photos come from jetpbotos, not planesspotters. And you need to Go upload/ ask there.

https://support.fr24.com/support/solutions/articles/3000115516-why-is-flightradar24-showing-an-incorrect-photo-of-an-aircraft-

[AirMe]

AeroLogic's fleet comprises actually 21 aircraft. All aircraft are registered as D-AAL... and a letter of the alphabet in cronological order of entry in the fleet. The 1st aircraft is the D-AALA (Alpha), and the newest addition is the 21st letter of the alphabet, therefore D-AALU (Uniform).
As AeroLogic is a Joint Venture between DHL Express and Lufthansa Cargo ( https://www.aerologic.aero/home ), some aircraft wear a yellow livery, and some a white livery.

Hereby the aircraft that are to be added to the AeroLogic fleet on the FlightRadar24 platform:

3C458C
D-AALL
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66081
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2019-09-10

3C458D
D-AALM
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66082
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2019-09-23

3C458F
D-AALO
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66085
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2020-03-19

3C4590
D-AALP
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66086
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2020-07-07

3C4591
D-AALQ
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66088
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2020-11-10

3C4592
D-AALR
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66814
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2021-03-06

3C4593
D-AALS
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66862
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2021-05-22

3C4594
D-AALT
B77L
Boeing 777-F
66863
AeroLogic
BOX (DHL)
BOX
2021-07-09

Hello!

The "yellow livery" it's actually the DHL livery, so all the aircrafts you listed have the DHL livery and not the AeroLogic one; it's not possible list an aircraft on two different lists, so the ones with the DHL livery are listed on the DHL fleet list, while the others are listed in the Aerologic fleet list.

[Hii]

Hello!

The "yellow livery" it's actually the DHL livery, so all the aircrafts you listed have the DHL livery and not the AeroLogic one; it's not possible list an aircraft on two different lists, so the ones with the DHL livery are listed on the DHL fleet list, while the others are listed in the Aerologic fleet list.

Good morning,
and thank you for your quick reply.

Unfortunately that is incorrect.
DHL is not an airline, it's a German logistics company, therefore doesn't have any aircraft of its own and neither holds any AOC.

The AeroLogic airplanes listed above are at the moment listed in the fleet of another operator, which is DHK. But it has nothing to do with AeroLogic, as DHK is an UK airline that flies for DHL. Many other airlines also fly for DHL and have aircraft painted with the DHL branding. See for example DHA (DHL Austria), BCS (European Air Transport), DHK (DHL UK), BOX (AeroLogic), PAC (Polar Air Cargo), AHK (Air Hongkong) DAE (DHL Aero Express), DHX (DHL Aviation EEMEA) and many others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Aviation

Many of this aircrafts are also erroneously listed under DHK on Flightradar24, but this is not correct. DHK has a fleet of 20 aircraft and bases its operations from East Midlands. On Flightradar24 DHK has 206 aircraft listed, which is completely incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Air_UK

While AeroLogic has 21 aircrafts, but on Flightradar24 only 13 are shown.

https://www.aerologic.aero/home

The other 8 are the ones I listed above, which as of today are listed wrongly on the fleet of DHL Air UK, which is only one random airline of the many operators that fly for DHL.

[user12345]

Good morning,
and thank you for your quick reply.

Unfortunately that is incorrect.
DHL is not an airline, it's a German logistics company, therefore doesn't have any aircraft of its own and neither holds any AOC.

The AeroLogic airplanes listed above are at the moment listed in the fleet of another operator, which is DHK. But it has nothing to do with AeroLogic, as DHK is an UK airline that flies for DHL. Many other airlines also fly for DHL and have aircraft painted with the DHL branding. See for example DHA (DHL Austria), BCS (European Air Transport), DHK (DHL UK), BOX (AeroLogic), PAC (Polar Air Cargo), AHK (Air Hongkong) DAE (DHL Aero Express), DHX (DHL Aviation EEMEA) and many others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Aviation

Many of this aircrafts are also erroneously listed under DHK on Flightradar24, but this is not correct. DHK has a fleet of 20 aircraft and bases its operations from East Midlands. On Flightradar24 DHK has 206 aircraft listed, which is completely incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Air_UK

While AeroLogic has 21 aircrafts, but on Flightradar24 only 13 are shown.

https://www.aerologic.aero/home

The other 8 are the ones I listed above, which as of today are listed wrongly on the fleet of DHL Air UK, which is only one random airline of the many operators that fly for DHL.

The use of DHK is a reference to the paint scheme, but the paint scheme identifier code in the back-end database editor is labelled as the operator. DHL as a logistics company does not have a unique ICAO operator code, and the paint scheme field only accepts ICAO operator codes, so we have to improvise. For instances like this it gets very confusing as were are essentially working with a broken system. I have personally raised the issue with the owners about DHK being used incorrectly and it should be addressed at some point, but the cogs turn slowly and requires a redesign of the database to handle the additional fields that will be required. For now, it's a case of trying to make the best of a bad situation. We are aware but the site does not have the functionality to improve matters on how these are displayed.

[AirMe]

Good morning,
and thank you for your quick reply.

Unfortunately that is incorrect.
DHL is not an airline, it's a German logistics company, therefore doesn't have any aircraft of its own and neither holds any AOC.

The AeroLogic airplanes listed above are at the moment listed in the fleet of another operator, which is DHK. But it has nothing to do with AeroLogic, as DHK is an UK airline that flies for DHL. Many other airlines also fly for DHL and have aircraft painted with the DHL branding. See for example DHA (DHL Austria), BCS (European Air Transport), DHK (DHL UK), BOX (AeroLogic), PAC (Polar Air Cargo), AHK (Air Hongkong) DAE (DHL Aero Express), DHX (DHL Aviation EEMEA) and many others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Aviation

Many of this aircrafts are also erroneously listed under DHK on Flightradar24, but this is not correct. DHK has a fleet of 20 aircraft and bases its operations from East Midlands. On Flightradar24 DHK has 206 aircraft listed, which is completely incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL_Air_UK

While AeroLogic has 21 aircrafts, but on Flightradar24 only 13 are shown.

https://www.aerologic.aero/home

The other 8 are the ones I listed above, which as of today are listed wrongly on the fleet of DHL Air UK, which is only one random airline of the many operators that fly for DHL.

I understand you're point of view. However we should consider DHL Aviation as an airline with multiple subsidiaries, as almost all airlines fleet websites do (including Wikipedia).
Furthemore, some of the airlines you mentioned are owned by DHL (some of them up to 100%, like BCS).
As user12345 told you, we use the DHK code as a generic DHL code. Why? DHK was the first DHL airline; the second reason is that DHK is the only airline which officially called "DHL Air" (DHL Air Ltd.) without any nationality or other name in the name. The DHK code is always used when an aircraft has a DHL livery, so this make you easier to find out which aircraft operate for DHL. On live map or in the aircraft page, you can always know which airline operates the aircraft, since you can see "operated by" or "operator".

I hope you may understand better the situation now. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to ask anything.

[arion]

AC9C6D
N911WY
H500
MD Helicopters MD 500
0144FF
United States - Las Vegas Metro Police Department

Are you sure about this model?

95447_1523580380.jpg


21453_1529869926.jpg

[jhicks7]

Both are listed as model Hughes 369FF per the FAA registrations. I believe this is termed “MD 530F” as well. But the family of 500D (369D), 500E (369E), and 530F (369FF) models is typically shown as ”MD Helicopters MD 500” in the FR24 database already. Similar to the variants of Airbus H135 and H145 models being labeled as such. Was that your inquiry here? Obviously feel free to update as appropriate, I was just working off what seemed to be the existing precedent (based on general observations) and trying to match what y’all already do.

[arion]

Both are listed as model Hughes 369FF per the FAA registrations. I believe this is termed “MD 530F” as well. But the family of 500D (369D), 500E (369E), and 530F (369FF) models is typically shown as ”MD Helicopters MD 500” in the FR24 database already. Similar to the variants of Airbus H135 and H145 models being labeled as such. Was that your inquiry here? Obviously feel free to update as appropriate, I was just working off what seemed to be the existing precedent (based on general observations) and trying to match what y’all already do.

Don't believe everything you see in the FAA, so do the Socata TBMs which are all listed as TBM7 (and are actually split into several models). I know you're doing a great job with these US updates (with ownership or operator identification), so it's just a heads up with these FAA errors.
Incredible as it may seem, if you post that a helicopter is "Airbus Helicopters MD530" there will be a database editor that will copy this information and add it to the database" this is the reality today.

[jhicks7]

Point well made and received, thank you for the word of caution. I will say that I double check everything against a tertiary source (like Rotorspot) to verify this information from the FAA registration. And if I can't figure out something for certain, I don't post it because that propagates misinformation. So while I am confident in what I post, if I have misinterpreted a trend I thought to be done purposefully, like naming in the database, my apologies!