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  • Chat misunderstanding.

    To day at about 06.00Z in the english chat room, I posted a request to Mr. LSGG asking if a people banned was banned
    for ever or for a period.
    The reply was " Ask your friend" or something like that. All of the chatters are my friends, so I told him that I don't
    understand what he means.
    The reply again was " no pm and something else I dont remenber "
    At this point as a joke I told him that he must have not slipped well.
    Followed an immediated ban.
    I knew LSGG as a polite and helpfull man and his action caught me with great surprise.
    It was not my intention to offend anybody, I never did, but if he took it as an offence I'm ready to
    regret what I said.
    Everything can be checket on HISTORY of this morning at approx 06,00 UTC.
    Therefore I kandly ask to be reconnected to chat.
    Regards Guido Rizzo

  • #2
    This sounds very much like you know someone who has been banned already?. If so, finding out why and asking for how long should be the responsibility of the people involved.

    Ban length can vary depending on how badly the person is behaving and should not be questioned.

    The no PMs, is just that. It is requested unsolicited private messages are not sent to users to ask such questions. There are numerous people with the ability to ban/kick users. So the person you are asking may not be the one involved and should not be harrassed in private to ask why.
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    • #3
      I don't use the Chat Rooom here but have been following this discussion.

      As an "established" member of this forum, where can I find the Rules that explain the banning procedures for the forum and Chat Room?

      DEL 10.7.2012
      Rgr Mike you can find our Rules at ..: http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/251-CHAT-Rules-

      Which some members dont think we need,and try to do, what they want.
      Last edited by delcomp; 2012-07-10, 12:23.
      Mike


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Oblivian View Post
        This sounds very much like you know someone who has been banned already?. If so, finding out why and asking for how long should be the responsibility of the people involved.

        Ban length can vary depending on how badly the person is behaving and should not be questioned.

        The no PMs, is just that. It is requested unsolicited private messages are not sent to users to ask such questions. There are numerous people with the ability to ban/kick users. So the person you are asking may not be the one involved and should not be harrassed in private to ask why.
        No, definitely I do not know anybody banned, also bcoz I'm the only italian frequenting the chat sice dec 2011.
        Anybody frequenting the chat knows me, If any body has anything to say about anything I may have done wrong or anybody "Harrassed" please say so.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Anmer View Post
          I don't use the Chat Rooom here but have been following this discussion.

          As an "established" member of this forum, where can I find the Rules that explain the banning procedures for the forum and Chat Room?
          http://forum.flightradar24.com/threa...nd-Regulations

          Not sure on the forum rulings however.
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          • #6
            I forgot to say that I'm the only one on the chat who did a complete profile with REAL name, surname, age, nation etc, and this should also give a proof of honesty.

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            • #7
              Thanks but that link doesn't explain the banning procedures, only what might invoke a ban.

              My questions are about "fair justice":

              1. Who can apply a ban?
              2. How is an infringement measured?
              3. Is a ban indefinite?
              4. Is there an appeals procedure?

              From discussions here, maybe there needs to be more transparency? I'm not against banning as long as everyone understands how it's managed.
              Mike


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              • #8
                To clarify what was said in Chat yesterday i saved a copy: (From reading it myself i would say Luca Motoc was the member who should be banned permanently and even if someone knows someone who is banned that should not mean they get banned too.)

                [2012-07-09 06:06:39] Luca Motoc: We can do anything there is no moderator.
                [2012-07-09 06:08:14] Luca Motoc: 機OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you iwll be banned
                [2012-07-09 06:14:33] Luca Motoc: 機OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you will be banned.This is your last chance
                [2012-07-09 06:15:23] Luca Motoc: [07:08:14] Luca Motoc: 機OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you iwll be banned
                [2012-07-09 06:18:58] OH-Bomm: don't even try
                [2012-07-09 06:20:39] Luca Motoc: I can't ban you know because you started talking
                [2012-07-09 06:21:54] Luca Motoc: Anyway,you don't tell me what to do
                [2012-07-09 06:28:35] Luca Motoc: 機OH-Bomm> Ok,so you can stay idle but just go on the top of the page and click "Away" if you do not you will get banned
                [2012-07-09 06:28:42] OH-Bomm: for start change the color
                [2012-07-09 06:29:22] OH-Bomm: and then read moore in the www.flightradar24.com/abo... (about) section
                [2012-07-09 06:29:41] Luca Motoc: Ok i changed the color now.But soon you will get banned
                [2012-07-09 06:29:59] OH-Bomm: no i won't
                [2012-07-09 06:30:27] Luca Motoc: Then i will have to ban you
                [2012-07-09 06:30:45] OH-Bomm: I don't think that
                [2012-07-09 06:30:58] Luca Motoc: Your right i can't but i have a friend who is a moderator
                [2012-07-09 06:31:09] OH-Bomm: Me to
                [2012-07-09 06:31:31] OH-Bomm: my friend is the owner
                [2012-07-09 06:31:54] Luca Motoc: Your just lying
                [2012-07-09 06:32:00] OH-Bomm: nope
                [2012-07-09 06:32:07] Luca Motoc: You have no prove he is the owner.
                [2012-07-09 06:32:15] OH-Bomm: mike
                [2012-07-09 06:32:41] OH-Bomm: a swede
                [2012-07-09 06:32:43] Luca Motoc: Anyway,then make him ban me and then i will believe you.
                [2012-07-09 06:34:12] Luca Motoc: I don't see his name anywhere on the site
                (Messages: 2387) (Page: 22/24)


                [2012-07-09 06:34:49] Luca Motoc: And then when was it made if he is the owner?
                [2012-07-09 06:37:32] Luca Motoc: See you don't know is mean he isn't the owner!
                [2012-07-09 06:39:24] OH-Bomm: gone
                [2012-07-09 06:39:30] OH-Bomm: bg
                [2012-07-09 06:40:33] Luca Motoc: bye
                [2012-07-09 06:40:40] Luca Motoc: !
                [2012-07-09 06:41:09] Luca Motoc: Hi magdaem
                [2012-07-09 06:41:12] Luca Motoc: !!!
                [2012-07-09 06:44:30] Luca Motoc: If you are idle i will ban you (LOOK AT THIS LINK: chat.flightradar24.com/in...
                [2012-07-09 06:50:57] area_p3: Moin guys
                [2012-07-09 06:51:07] OH-Bomm: moi
                [2012-07-09 06:51:09] OH-Bomm: Terve
                [2012-07-09 06:51:13] (LSGG): moin moin
                [2012-07-09 06:51:20] area_p3: Moin Karl, Guido and J. Bomm
                [2012-07-09 06:51:23] Guido Rizzo: test test
                [2012-07-09 06:51:26] OH-Bomm: had an anoying guy here
                [2012-07-09 06:51:34] Guido Rizzo: morning all
                [2012-07-09 06:51:49] Guido Rizzo: seen that
                [2012-07-09 06:52:01] (LSGG): yes, see it. banned him yesterday
                [2012-07-09 06:52:22] OH-Bomm: there where he got the pic
                [2012-07-09 06:52:31] Guido Rizzo: But how long last the ban?
                [2012-07-09 06:53:04] (LSGG): 機Guido Rizzo want to test it ? ask your friend
                [2012-07-09 06:55:17] (LSGG): 機Guido Rizzo read the rules. no pm or ban.
                [2012-07-09 06:56:17] Guido Rizzo: Did you get a bad night ?
                [2012-07-09 06:57:26] (LSGG): dont like that he spams in all rooms. bye bye,
                [2012-07-09 06:58:09] area_p3: What was that for a troll.
                [2012-07-09 06:58:55] area_p3: Well. bg
                [2012-07-09 06:59:08] (LSGG): ok
                [2012-07-09 07:01:55] area_p3: Was in the german room atm. Kicked him.
                [2012-07-09 07:04:06] (LSGG): was in the polish too
                [2012-07-09 07:06:53] OH-Bomm: bg
                [2012-07-09 07:07:01] (LSGG): ok
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                • #9
                  Maybe only.. 8 or 9 poss 10-11 who can do it. Not all on at the same time or timezones however. They appear as admins with a different coloured icon.

                  And depends on the severity.. most are gracious and give 3-4 warnings pointing out the error/reason before implementing. And the period can be a given time, or automatic 2 weeks.

                  It tends to be those that ignore multiple warnings, or are known to play up regularly that get a swift boot the moment they go out of line without a warning.

                  Or ones that are clearly there to do bad. IE post links to drive-by malware links and spam
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by speedbird1960 View Post
                    To clarify what was said in Chat yesterday i saved a copy: (From reading it myself i would say Luca Motoc was the member who should be banned permanently and even if someone knows someone who is banned that should not mean they get banned too.)

                    [2012-07-09 07:07:01] (LSGG): ok
                    One of them appears to have been in all rooms, not just the english one (IE German and Polish too!) and either typing rubbish, or asking the same things.

                    [2012-07-09 07:01:55] area_p3: Was in the german room atm. Kicked him.
                    [2012-07-09 07:04:06] (LSGG): was in the polish too
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by speedbird1960 View Post
                      To clarify what was said in Chat yesterday i saved a copy: (From reading it myself i would say Luca Motoc was the member who should be banned permanently and even if someone knows someone who is banned that should not mean they get banned too.)
                      Thanks Mike.

                      So who banned Guido Rizzo and is he banned indefinitely? Who is the final arbitrator?
                      Mike


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                      Radarspotting since 2005

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Anmer View Post
                        Thanks Mike.

                        So who banned Guido Rizzo and is he banned indefinitely? Who is the final arbitrator?
                        Banned for what? For telling LSGG if he had a bad night ? That's the only thing I did!
                        I never knew the other fellow. only 3 or 4 lines of text regarding myself.
                        Guido Rizzo

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                        • #13
                          Hi Guido

                          Maybe one of the moderators can review the ban?

                          From what's been posted here so far, it seems harsh, to say the least?

                          On my forum, such comments are regarded as amusing.


                          Thats OK Mike, but your chat is an open chat,. where by us,. there the
                          possibliatly of a Whisper or private chat. Which some people simple use
                          it,. Without asking the person concerned by hand,..
                          Which also give the possiblilty to insult or improper suggestions to our
                          female members.
                          Think Id better ask Mike the Boss, to remove the whisper and Private Chat.
                          Then people cant misuse it as they do..
                          If that happened,. then we would be on the same basis as your chat Mike.
                          Our Bann system goes from 20 minutes to 14 days depending on What is offended.
                          WE have no possibliaty to remove Banns that have been applied.
                          DEL
                          Last edited by delcomp; 2012-07-10, 16:16.
                          Mike


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                          Radarspotting since 2005

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by speedbird1960 View Post
                            To clarify what was said in Chat yesterday i saved a copy: (From reading it myself i would say Luca Motoc was the member who should be banned permanently and even if someone knows someone who is banned that should not mean they get banned too.)

                            [2012-07-09 06:06:39] Luca Motoc: We can do anything there is no moderator.
                            [2012-07-09 06:08:14] Luca Motoc: ‹@OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you iwll be banned
                            [2012-07-09 06:14:33] Luca Motoc: ‹@OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you will be banned.This is your last chance
                            [2012-07-09 06:15:23] Luca Motoc: [07:08:14] Luca Motoc: ‹@OH-Bomm> You are being idle for too long if you do not start chating or close the window you iwll be banned
                            [2012-07-09 06:18:58] OH-Bomm: don't even try
                            [2012-07-09 06:20:39] Luca Motoc: I can't ban you know because you started talking
                            [2012-07-09 06:21:54] Luca Motoc: Anyway,you don't tell me what to do
                            [2012-07-09 06:28:35] Luca Motoc: ‹@OH-Bomm> Ok,so you can stay idle but just go on the top of the page and click "Away" if you do not you will get banned
                            [2012-07-09 06:28:42] OH-Bomm: for start change the color
                            [2012-07-09 06:29:22] OH-Bomm: and then read moore in the www.flightradar24.com/abo... (about) section
                            [2012-07-09 06:29:41] Luca Motoc: Ok i changed the color now.But soon you will get banned
                            [2012-07-09 06:29:59] OH-Bomm: no i won't
                            [2012-07-09 06:30:27] Luca Motoc: Then i will have to ban you
                            [2012-07-09 06:30:45] OH-Bomm: I don't think that
                            [2012-07-09 06:30:58] Luca Motoc: Your right i can't but i have a friend who is a moderator
                            [2012-07-09 06:31:09] OH-Bomm: Me to
                            [2012-07-09 06:31:31] OH-Bomm: my friend is the owner
                            [2012-07-09 06:31:54] Luca Motoc: Your just lying
                            [2012-07-09 06:32:00] OH-Bomm: nope
                            [2012-07-09 06:32:07] Luca Motoc: You have no prove he is the owner.
                            [2012-07-09 06:32:15] OH-Bomm: mike
                            [2012-07-09 06:32:41] OH-Bomm: a swede
                            [2012-07-09 06:32:43] Luca Motoc: Anyway,then make him ban me and then i will believe you.
                            [2012-07-09 06:34:12] Luca Motoc: I don't see his name anywhere on the site
                            (Messages: 2387) (Page: 22/24)


                            [2012-07-09 06:34:49] Luca Motoc: And then when was it made if he is the owner?
                            [2012-07-09 06:37:32] Luca Motoc: See you don't know is mean he isn't the owner!
                            [2012-07-09 06:39:24] OH-Bomm: gone
                            [2012-07-09 06:39:30] OH-Bomm: bg
                            [2012-07-09 06:40:33] Luca Motoc: bye
                            [2012-07-09 06:40:40] Luca Motoc: !
                            [2012-07-09 06:41:09] Luca Motoc: Hi magdaem
                            [2012-07-09 06:41:12] Luca Motoc: !!!
                            [2012-07-09 06:44:30] Luca Motoc: If you are idle i will ban you (LOOK AT THIS LINK: chat.flightradar24.com/in...
                            [2012-07-09 06:50:57] area_p3: Moin guys
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:07] OH-Bomm: moi
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:09] OH-Bomm: Terve
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:13] (LSGG): moin moin
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:20] area_p3: Moin Karl, Guido and J. Bomm
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:23] Guido Rizzo: test test
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:26] OH-Bomm: had an anoying guy here
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:34] Guido Rizzo: morning all
                            [2012-07-09 06:51:49] Guido Rizzo: seen that
                            [2012-07-09 06:52:01] (LSGG): yes, see it. banned him yesterday
                            [2012-07-09 06:52:22] OH-Bomm: there where he got the pic
                            [2012-07-09 06:52:31] Guido Rizzo: But how long last the ban?
                            [2012-07-09 06:53:04] (LSGG): ‹@Guido Rizzo› want to test it ? ask your friend
                            [2012-07-09 06:55:17] (LSGG): ‹@Guido Rizzo› read the rules. no pm or ban.
                            [2012-07-09 06:56:17] Guido Rizzo: Did you get a bad night ?
                            [2012-07-09 06:57:26] (LSGG): dont like that he spams in all rooms. bye bye,
                            [2012-07-09 06:58:09] area_p3: What was that for a troll.
                            [2012-07-09 06:58:55] area_p3: Well. bg
                            [2012-07-09 06:59:08] (LSGG): ok
                            [2012-07-09 07:01:55] area_p3: Was in the german room atm. Kicked him.
                            [2012-07-09 07:04:06] (LSGG): was in the polish too
                            [2012-07-09 07:06:53] OH-Bomm: bg
                            [2012-07-09 07:07:01] (LSGG): ok
                            Between line 06:53:04 and 06:55:17 You have REMOVED a line where I said: "I do not know what you mean " or samething similar ,in fact I didnt know about which friend you were talking about,

                            DEL
                            Grandpa,. If you said it in an PM,. it wouldnt show on there,.As only
                            you and the other person sees it.
                            Last edited by delcomp; 2012-07-11, 15:24.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bingo View Post
                              Between line 06:53:04 and 06:55:17 You have REMOVED a line where I said: "I do not know what you mean " or samething similar ,in fact I didnt know about which friend you were talking about,
                              Hi Guido.

                              I only copy and pasted what is history now, i have not removed anything.

                              Here is the text as it is now in history:

                              [2012-07-09 06:52:31] Guido Rizzo: But how long last the ban?
                              [2012-07-09 06:53:04] (LSGG): ‹@Guido Rizzo› want to test it ? ask your friend
                              [2012-07-09 06:55:17] (LSGG): ‹@Guido Rizzo› read the rules. no pm or ban.
                              [2012-07-09 06:56:17] Guido Rizzo: Did you get a bad night ?
                              [2012-07-09 06:57:26] (LSGG): dont like that he spams in all rooms. bye bye,
                              [2012-07-09 06:58:09] area_p3: What was that for a troll.
                              [2012-07-09 06:58:55] area_p3: Well. bg
                              [2012-07-09 06:59:08] (LSGG): ok

                              I can not find anything in any of the other Chat rooms that would cause you to be banned.

                              I did find text by Luca Motoc in French and Polish:

                              [2012-07-09[21:04:15] fahd1993: bonsoir tou
                              [2012-07-09[23:49:12] Fl疱iochaves: bon soir
                              [2012-07-09[14:47:05] faustyna: bonjour
                              [2012-07-09[14:47:12] faustyna: salut
                              [2012-07-09[20:31:43] Toine: salut
                              [2012-07-09[02:07:14] Anto95: jms personne ici
                              [2012-07-09[06:11:43] Luca Motoc: Bonjour,
                              [2012-07-09[06:12:38] Luca Motoc: Je suis un moderator
                              [2012-07-09[06:13:02] Luca Motoc: bonsoir
                              [2012-07-09[11:55:29] aralbert: bonjour, les mod駻ateur comment on fait pour ajouter un avion? et vous pouvez activer mon compte premium svp?
                              [2012-07-09[12:29:02] wanforg: Pour ajouter un avion: On clique dessus et dans la barre lat駻ale il y a un lien et c'est pour l'avion
                              [2012-07-09[12:31:58] wanforg:
                              [2012-07-09[12:42:45] aralbert: Je comprends pas le lien
                              [2012-07-09[12:44:03] aralbert: Si vous voulez, je veux mettre le type de l'avion l'immatriculation, l'op駻ateur voil.
                              [2012-07-09[12:50:21] aralbert: AIB01BS c'est F-WWBS sont immatriculation, c'est un A320 en essais et premeir vol


                              [2012-07-09 06:10:37] Luca Motoc: branoc
                              [2012-07-09 06:10:50] Luca Motoc: prezepieprzyklem moonshot
                              [2012-07-09 06:40:00] Luca Motoc: [23:55:27] trabin: zaczęło się [23:58:54] trabin: grad [23:59:28] trabin: tu też jest piękny widok oognet.pl/content/details... [00:00:19] pwlx:

                              www.rainymood.com/ [00:00:21] pwlx: dobre na kaca [00:11:21] trabin: burza nad WAW a jeszcze widać błyski na niebie [00:14:01] Zakredka: A6-EYI obrobiony i zaraz wrzucam [00:20:43]

                              pwlx: ‹@Zakredka› po co na eprg jedziesz 18? [00:22:22] trabin: u mnie skakać nie mogą [00:22:31] trabin: bo zawiesili loty samolow Gawron i Yak [00:22:34] trabin: www.ulc.gov.
                              [2012-07-09 06:47:58] Luca Motoc: chat.flightradar24.com/in...
                              [2012-07-09 06:59:11] pablo815: siemka
                              [2012-07-09 07:21:57] bartusek: Siemka
                              [2012-07-09 07:23:58] pablo815: ‹@bartusek› fajnie sie wczoraj lecialo pierwszy raz
                              [2012-07-09 07:54:05] bartusek: ‹@pablo815› gdzie leciales ?
                              [2012-07-09 07:54:09] bartusek: waw-rze ?
                              [2012-07-09 07:57:14] pablo815: ‹@bartusek› rze-waw
                              [2012-07-09 07:57:52] pablo815: ‹@bartusek› www.flightradar24.com/#!/... to moj lot
                              [2012-07-09 07:57:59] pablo815: byl jednak ten E195
                              [2012-07-09 08:03:34] bartusek: Nosz Kur*A !
                              [2012-07-09 08:03:40] bartusek: a321 Z iRYZACJĄ !
                              [2012-07-09 08:08:51] adameczek454: czesc
                              [2012-07-09 08:09:35] adameczek454: ale burza dzisaj w nocy była
                              [2012-07-09 08:09:43] adameczek454: w zasadzie to wieczorem
                              [2012-07-09 08:13:44] pablo815: ‹@adameczek454› w Lublinie tez potezna (ok 23)
                              [2012-07-09 08:17:19] adameczek454: w Ursusie jakiś magazyn sklepowy się spalił; zasadzie to jest sklep
                              [2012-07-09 08:20:25] pablo815: teraz musze powiedziec rodzicom ze lecialem:P
                              [2012-07-09 08:26:54] pablo815: embraer SP-LND to jest ten co w tym roku przybył?
                              [2012-07-09 08:28:48] Chriso: tak
                              (Messages: 1302) (Page: 7/14)

                              And in History,. is No Whispers or Private messages.
                              Last edited by delcomp; 2012-07-10, 16:24.
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