PH-EXD KLM E190 - New aircraft, no ADS-B GPS.

[Jarod]

PH-EXD KLM Cityhopper Embraer ERJ-190STD (ERJ-190-100)

http://www.flightradar24.com/reg/phexd

So, KLM got this new aircraft. Why doesn't it have a full ADS-B GPS system?

[fungus]

Jarod,

Glad you've picked up on that as I'd been wondering if Embraer had changed their policy. Unlike Airbus and Boeing, Embraer weren't fitting ADS-B at point of manufacture unless necessary. It seems that is still the case. Perhaps it's a question of cost. I guess it will change as ADS-B becomes mandatory throughout the rest of the world (it is here in Australia from December last year for aircraft flying at or above FL290). The E190's here with Virgin had to be retro-fitted prior to the date it became mandatory, as did many older aircraft (or they got flogged off).

Regards,
Gregg

[Mike]

About 40% of E190 comes with ADSB and 60% without, it's up to airline to decide.

Without
KLM
Air France
Flybe
Flybe Nordic
Air Canada
Ukraine International Airlines
BA CityFlyer
JetBlue
Air Europa

With
LOT
Jetairfly
Bulgaria Air
Fly Niki
Air Dolomiti
Lufthansa (later deliveries)
China Southern Airlines

Recently upgraded
Alitalia CityLiner
Virgin Australia

Bombardier aircraft like CRJ-900, CRJ-1000 and Dash-8 are also new aircraft that are delivered without ADS-B

[Breitling]

About 40% of E190 comes with ADSB and 60% without, it's up to airline to decide.

Without

Air Europa

AEA comes with and without, later E190 deliveries already have ADS-B equipment.

[fungus]

KLM Cityhopper adds E190s to its fleet

Jarod,
Did some digging and it helps to explain the case with the Embraer 190 mentioned above. They are leased through BOC Aviation to replace the Fokker 70's which adds another dimension to the ADS-B/non ADS-B equation. Leased aircraft may or may not be fitted depending on where they are sourced and/or previously used. If the Virgin aircraft I mentioned above are on sold or leased they would be equipped but whether this would be used is another matter.

http://www.key.aero/view_article.asp?ID=6524&thisSection=commercial

The final Fokker 70 is expected to leave KLM Cityhopper during 2018 (Airliner World March 2014 P7).

Regards,
Gregg

[Jarod]

Thanks all for the info, all clear now.

And while still in the spotting forum, new photos of the new livery: http://www.planespotters.net/Aviatio...php?tag=PH-EXD
I really like it. The Fokker 70 and Boeing 787 should get the same livery.

[Mike]

I saw 2 E190 for BA CityFlyer leaving Brazil yesterday with ADS-B. We will see if ADS-B will remain on after they have landed in UK.

[Bierboum]

It looks KLM is implementing ADS-B to their "older" Embrears 190. Seen "newbees" with ADS-B on flightRadar 24 until sofar:

PH-EZD;
PH-EZT;
PH-EZU;
PH-EZV;
PH-EZW;
PH-EZX.

[Bierboum]

An other "new"one seen earlyer this morning:

PH-EZO