Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'

[scanhorse]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8612825.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/2008892.stm

Pilot error ? ;

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_512918.html

Very good summary;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Po...e_Tu-154_crash

With Condolences to the Polish people

Ulf , scanhorse

[Mike]

You can find a satellite image of the crash site http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/7765/m7765863.jpg
It's located about 200m away from the runway http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...42787&t=h&z=15

[retro11]

president obama to attend funeral in poland on the 18/04/2010 ADS-B equipped ??? heard air force one on scottish traveling west out of copenhagen after the summit last year

[SoCalBrian]

The plane Obama flies on doesn't have ADS-B.
The Mode-S code & Call sign will still show up on the SBS1/RB software.

[scanhorse]

Polish air crash: crew 'pressured into trying to land'

The boxes reveal a Voice no 5 ???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-to-land.html

Ulf , Scanhorse

[Dublin1]

Black box transcription - the 5th voice:


"Here, hold my vodka, I'll show you how to land a bloody plane..."

[Welcome]

Is it generally possible to track back the real-time flight of PAF101 via FlightRadar or similar service?
I'm asking because there are numerous questions arising from the duration of the flight (which crashed 0656 GMT) but no certainty when flight began (0524-0600 GMT?).
Hence did they have really time to fulfill all necessary landing procedures, or tried to land "quickly"?
Thanks in advance.

[speedbird1960]

More info on this at http://avherald.com/h?article=429ec5fa&opt=0

[scanhorse]

2 passengers in cockpit, Polish plane crash investigation shows

Hi Friends

Here is latest news from the russian side:

2 passengers in cockpit, and some ravine might bee involved

http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...igation_shows/

Ulf, Sanhorse

[speedbird1960]

2 VERY INTERESTING LINKS .
http://luckybogey.wordpress.com/2010...setting-error/
http://luckybogey.wordpress.com/2010...not-processed/

[Mike]

Very interesting. Polish media has published the recordings from flight deck of the crashed president plane.
http://slimak.onet.pl/_m/TVN/tvn24/stenogram.pdf (41 pages PDF)
All is in Russian and Polish.
It's quite obvious that it's 100% pilot error. The pilots received messages from tower and another pilot that visibility was very very very poor.
They ignored the warnings and decided to make a try to land.
First alarm in cockpit sounded 59 seconds before crash and was repeated about 12-15 times and ignored by the pilots every time.
Last word before crash was "kurwaaaaaa"

[scanhorse]

Same thing here as BBC reports it

BBC reporting on that same news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/10206841.stm

Ulf Scanhorse

P.s I wont dare to translate your pol swering Mike

[scanhorse]

Flight crew pressured to land: crash report, on POL gov. crasch

Hi

The crew in an air crash that killed the Polish president were under intense "psychological pressure" to land the plane so as not to anger him, according to a damning Russian report blaming pilot error for the tragedy. Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee quoted the aircraft's navigator as saying "he'll get mad," if the aircraft aborted its attempt to land at Smolensk.

Read more:
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-p...#ixzz1AuXUx5Pz

begins here ;
http://forum.flightradar24.com/threa...ghlight=poland

Ulf Scanhorse RIP

[Mike]

YouTube movie that show simulation of the crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucfMbPt8xRw
At 35:40 you can hear the last screams before the crash.

[scanhorse]

Poland: Russia must take Smolensk crash responsibility, too

Hi

The Polish government has indicated that the Russian claim that the air disaster in Smolensk last April was “pilot error” is not the whole story and that Russian air traffic controllers must take some of the blame, too.

http://www.thenews.pl/international/...lity--too.html

Ulf Scanhorse