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  • Birdman
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    Originally posted by SoCalBrian View Post
    Check for the updated MH17 pinned track URL on this page.
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/pinned/
    Thx but that shows MH17 like the only airborne flight in the world?
    At least one of the links I copied in my post earlier worked well for telling the positions of other civilian flights roughly in the same area. The Singapore Airlines trailing, Indian Airlines going the other way. A Lufthansa, Aeroflot and a Virgin flight too (amongst others) if memory serves.

    Those are the images/tracks I'm interested in, do you have a link for them?
    Last edited by Birdman; 2014-08-12, 19:29.

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  • SoCalBrian
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    Check for the updated MH17 pinned track URL on this page.

    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/pinned/

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  • Birdman
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    Originally posted by Jesy_par
    Good day to all. I am trying to get an FR24 radar image of MI17 at the point of its downing also showing the registrations of all other aircraft around it such as SQ and AI. How do I go about getting that? Pretty confused. Thank you.
    Must admit I have the same question. In the "early days" the link provided in post #2 of this thread showed surrounding traffic.

    Now even the pinned tracks is gone.

    Any explanation would be appreciated.

    TIA,
    Birdie

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  • nakos
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    I did. So if data is true, thats puzzling. We know where debris are, and last two position reports don't make sense.
    Could that be an INS error? If so, it was HUGE.

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  • Mike
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    Originally posted by nakos View Post
    I agree that it seems strange that last position reported by FR24 is 22 km further ahead from debris field. Mike can you please confirm that "radar id 5913" means actual FR receiver in the area, not a codename for extrapolation bot:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswkrwNIQAA6YT8.png:large
    Please read for 4 posts up

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  • nakos
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    I agree that it seems strange that last position reported by FR24 is 22 km further ahead from debris field. Mike can you please confirm that "radar id 5913" means actual FR receiver in the area, not a codename for extrapolation bot:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BswkrwNIQAA6YT8.png:large

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  • Oblivian
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    Initial but Unconfirmed reports by investigation team that aircraft suffered massive explosive decompression loss.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/ukrai...h17-1406544088

    The age of the FDR/CVR are likely to cause issues also. Longer gaps and no backup if all power was lost at time of impact.

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  • peterhr
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    All these people with conspiracy theory's should ask themselves what does xxxx have to gain from spreading mis-information.

    When they find out - share it with us, the voices i hear when there's no-one around are really interested! - I'll pass it on.

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  • Mike
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    As stated many times now, the published data is the raw data from database and not from the web page.
    Flightaware didn't have any data in this area. They have added one raw of data from unknown source manually afterwards.
    No matter how much we speculate, we will not get any answers before we have data from the black boxes.

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  • SAļ
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    Originally posted by Mike View Post
    The heading was recorded by FR24 and was published 3 hours after the crash
    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...06795725348864

    Before MH370 almost no media trusted FR24 data. During the first 10 hours after it disappeared I contacted every big media in the world to tell them that signal was lost outside of Malaysia, and not in China where the search was focused on for first 10 hours. No one cared. After some weeks it was found that FR24 had the last tracked data of MH370 and that it was correct. After that we gained some confidence in media.
    When MH17 disappearance was announced it took only about 5 minutes for FR24 to become overloaded as everybody was looking for FR24 as the primary source for data. We posted our raw data from database about 3 hours after the crash, and as far as I have seen this is the best data we have today. Several journalist have called us to verify 13:21 UTC as the time when last signal was picked up and I have seen this time in several media around the world. Example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/gra...th-map-ukraine
    Some media use other timings with everything between 13:00 and 14:00 as last signal time.

    There are 200+ mentions on Google with last position: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...+%2238.7728%22 (this search is just matching on the raw data, there could be more mentions with less decimals, conversion to other format or just a map).
    Hi Mike.

    I wanted to suggest you that flightradar24 data of last known position/time could turn out to be extrapolated, maybe by your software, because it seems that in another crash case at least, last position from other sources were more accurate.

    I still haven't checked out other cases so I may be wrong, but I'll take the example of the reported lost plane N36ML - 09/12/2013 :
    http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=162600

    Here is a comparision between different flight trackers and the conclusion :
    https://sites.google.com/site/search...technical-data

    "Another site with radar tracking information is flightradar24. Please note that the last few data points reported by flightradar appear to be extrapolations, and are not considered to be real data."
    "There are discrepancies between these two data sources. It is believed that the data comes from the same source (not separate radar towers), so some points may be extrapolations. Searchers in Idaho (who would have had more detailed information) appeared to be using the coordinates from flightaware as the last know coordinates and heading of the plane."


    Back to MH17, I have three sources :

    - flightradar24 (13:21:28Z, N48.0403 E38.7728)
    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...348864/photo/1

    - flightaware (13:19Z, N48.1350 E38.5030)
    http://fr.flightaware.com/live/fligh.../WMKK/tracklog

    - the Aviation Herald (13:20Z, N48.1230 E38.5258) (Emergency Locator Transmitter)
    http://www.avherald.com/h?article=47770f9d&opt=0

    Note that "the transponder data became unreliable at 13:18Z (position N48.28 E38.08) and was lost at FL330 at 13:20Z."


    The last two sources are perfectly consistent with the crash zone, when at least the last data from flightradar24 (after 13:19:16) appears to be perfectly irrelevant :
    flightradar24-WEB2.jpg

    Note also that their distance from the further debris (approx. 11km) is also consistent with balistic coefficients shown in this excellent post :
    570_900.png
    http://0serg.livejournal.com/146553.html


    I would fully agree with you to wait for the investigation results, if your data weren't used to disinform during an international crisis, and fuel such florishing conspiracy theories :
    http://nikolay-istomin.livejournal.com/3057934.html
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/2...e-flag-attack/

    So if reliability of your system was confirmed to be doubtfull for last position data, please let us know, because in spite of that, everyone knows flightradar24 remains excellent.

    And if I'm wrong, apologies.
    Last edited by SAļ; 2014-07-27, 21:29.

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  • genc
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    The AV Herald states "The aircraft was found to differ from Boeing's design in that a clamp supporting the first officer's wiring to the oxygen mask light panel was missing. The wiring was not sleeved and a large loop of unsupported wire was found. The investigation determined that about 280 aircraft including all of Egyptair's Boeing 777s were delivered that way."

    Is there a way to find out whether the MH370 aircraft was among the 280?

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  • 1090 MHz
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    Originally posted by Sea Petal View Post
    It turns out
    Boeing 28416 a previous Malaysian plane was acquired by Gat Telesis and is being dismantled in Isreal
    http://www.gatelesis.com/?s=MSN+28416

    The second Malaysian Boeing 28418 is also now owned by Gat Telesis but not sure where it is being dismantled
    http://www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-...and-757-200er/

    What are the odds? A Malaysian plane goes completely missing and 5 months later we have not found a single piece of that plane or have any concrete evidence of where it is.
    Then a second Malaysian plane almost identical is involved in an international war incident and crashes just months later. Meanwhile identical planes are being dismantled in two different places previous to the disappearance and crash.
    How about the EgyptAir 777 that had the cockpit fire just as it was getting ready to take-off... Its MSN was 28423

    http://www.planespotters.net/Product...P-EgyptAir.php

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ing-plane.html

    http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7/0000
    Last edited by 1090 MHz; 2014-07-25, 02:11.

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  • 1090 MHz
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    Originally posted by Sea Petal View Post
    There were two other planes in the air over the Ukraine at the same time but it was the Malaysian plane that gets shot down. It just doesn't feel right at all. Bizarre and treacherous.
    Malaysian 33,000 feet
    Singapore 35,000 feet
    Air India 40,000 feet

    Looks to me like the Malaysian was just flying the lowest making it the easiest of the 3 targets to hit.

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  • Sea Petal
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    Originally posted by Sea Petal View Post
    Hi Mike

    Why is there no flight record for Boeing 28416 9M MRI ?
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mri/
    Or Boeing 28411 9M MRD
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mrd/
    Or Boeing 28420 9M MRO
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mro/

    Do you have it stored?

    Thanks!
    It turns out
    Boeing 28416 a previous Malaysian plane was acquired by Gat Telesis and is being dismantled in Isreal
    http://www.gatelesis.com/?s=MSN+28416

    The second Malaysian Boeing 28418 is also now owned by Gat Telesis but not sure where it is being dismantled
    http://www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-...and-757-200er/

    What are the odds? A Malaysian plane goes completely missing and 5 months later we have not found a single piece of that plane or have any concrete evidence of where it is.
    Then a second Malaysian plane almost identical is involved in an international war incident and crashes just months later. Meanwhile identical planes are being dismantled in two different places previous to the disappearance and crash. There were two other planes in the air over the Ukraine at the same time but it was the Malaysian plane that gets shot down. It just doesn't feel right at all. Bizarre and treacherous.
    Last edited by Sea Petal; 2014-07-25, 00:29.

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  • Sea Petal
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    Hi Mike

    Why is there no flight record for Boeing 28416 9M MRI ?
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mri/
    Or Boeing 28411 9M MRD
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mrd/
    Or Boeing 28420 9M MRO
    http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/9m-mro/

    Do you have it stored?

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Sea Petal; 2014-07-24, 23:46.

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