Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China - Flight MH370

[mcjensen]

Hi Again, I found a disturbing comment, it doesn't puzzle together as there wasn't enough fuel to get to the destination he mentioned but god knows.
But anyway I'll post it, this is after the news came out about the Maldives Islanders witnessing a plane flying low looking similar to MH370 at 6.15am local time on March 8.
4 hours ago
The plane is in Somalia. The Pilot was killed shortly after takeoff and the co-pilot and one other on board hijacked the plane. The co-pilot shut everything down 2 minutes after signing off air traffic control in Malaysia. The plane then turned over Malaysia and then headed to Somalia. It was planned all along. The Maldives are close to the borders of Somalia.
The governments probably already know. If you read all of the news it can be pieced together.

Yes, if in fact there is absolute verification that the plane was sighted over the Maldives heading west...then Somalia would be the next destination.
Although wouldn't that mean it was not in the arc suggested by the satellite pings. But lets be real...this was an abduction...motives for this kind of extreme abduction are very high...every other theory doesn't add up...this adds up. Whoever was flying this plane knew
what he was doing, and his motives were for evil not for good.

[MartH]

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PUTRAJAYA: Investigators examining Malaysia Airlines (MAS) pilot captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-made flight simulator have found that several recent files in the machine, that could possibly provide better insight into the mysterious disappearance of flight MH370, had been deleted.

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If somebody out there is writing the script for the MH370 movie, then at this point in the plot I guess the government deleted the files to besmirch a known opposition supporter?

Wow! I'm getting more cynical as I get older!

Thoughts as always, with the families and others suffering through this ordeal.

[smay69]

Satellite maps are NOT live. They are 1-3 years old in most cases.
There is a tower on Gan (with ATC and a FR24 receiver), so if the aircraft would have landed there we would know about it.
The aircraft on the picture is probably MegaMaldives B763 that has Gan as it's base.
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Actually, from the iPhone screen cap you can tell the plane has the same livery as the picture you just posted.

[Exadios]

Not quite, the auction is for a 777-300 !! anyone lost one recently?

Damn. Another good hypothesis shot down. Maybe all the hijacked Malaysian 777s are all together on some remote strip being prepared for some evil deed. So buy this one to find out where they are.

[smay69]

Using google earth if you plot from KL into the Gulf of Thailand and a line straight from turnaround point to Kudahuvadhoo, Maldives is it exactly 2500 miles.

[nor2014]

It's fairly common for passengers to forget (or "forget") to turn off their mobile devices on a flight. Even if the passengers (or even pilots) were incapacitated and unable to operate their devices, we would still have devices trying to connect to mobile networks whenever possible (flying low enough over, or landing in areas with mobile coverage). These devices would have their own batteries and be independent from any event that disabled the plane's communication devices.

Assuming that no such connection events have been registered, would this limit the areas the plane could have (reasonably) been flying low or landed? Of course, if this was a well planned event where this was considered, somebody might have brought jamming equipment aboard the aircraft making my question moot.

[bhavlobhuro]

Missing MH370: Canadian pilot believes plane caught fire

KUALA LUMPUR: A veteran Canadian pilot with over two decades experience in the cockpit believes that a fire, not a hijacking, is the main reason behind the disappearance of MAS flight MH370.

In a Google+ post, pilot Chris Goodfellow argues that the missing MH370 probably fell victim to a fire.

According to Goodfellow, the sharp turn executed by the plane points to a problem on the plane.

He wrote, “The left turn is the key here. (Capt) Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always.

“If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do – you already know what you are going to do.

“When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no..............

Full Story: http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...e-caught-fire/

Original Report:https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz

[cretanrunner]

Jesus, it's been done to death, and discredited too.

[bhavlobhuro]

Please All of You Must Read this Article.....

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chris goodfellow

MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.


If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.


Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.

Original Report:https://plus.google.com/106271056358...ts/GoeVjHJaGBz

[cretanrunner]

Is Chris Goodfellow paying you to get him free publicity? Links to this have been posted several times. Why do you have to post again?

Two questions in relation to this sensational theory.

1. If pilots are so aware of the nearest airport for an emergency landing, why did they not aim for TGG, which was much closer?
2. How do you account for the satellite contacts which continued for hours more and, I believe appear to show a plane in motion, at least in the early stages?

[qmt]

It does seem like a viable airport and it is from IGARI to VAMPI, but don't the primary tracks continue to two more waypoints?

(newbie amateur here)

edit: also I meant to ask you guys, VOPB is the first place you would look in a landing scenario if the military tracks are anything to go by, could you land one of those planes on a 10.7k runway theoretically? What is the lowest length you could land it on

[Exadios]

Is Chris Goodfellow paying you to get him free publicity? Links to this have been posted several times. Why do you have to post again?

Two questions in relation to this sensational theory.

1. If pilots are so aware of the nearest airport for an emergency landing, why did they not aim for TGG, which was much closer?
2. How do you account for the satellite contacts which continued for hours more and, I believe appear to show a plane in motion, at least in the early stages?

If you draw a line from the last transponder position to WMKN and extend it you will see that it passes through the search area south and west of Australia.

If you measure the length of the line you will see it is equal to the approximate endurance of the plane. Plainly the plane did not land at WMKN.

I see a report in the Huff Post that the area south and west of Australia is considered the most probable final location of the flight. The area was selected by the Australians with help from the NTSB. My guess is that this selection is the result of first coherent analysis of the known facts.

From the location of this search area what the known facts are can be intuited.

[bhavlobhuro]

Is Chris Goodfellow paying you to get him free publicity? Links to this have been posted several times. Why do you have to post again?

Two questions in relation to this sensational theory.

1. If pilots are so aware of the nearest airport for an emergency landing, why did they not aim for TGG, which was much closer?
2. How do you account for the satellite contacts which continued for hours more and, I believe appear to show a plane in motion, at least in the early stages?

Hi,

this not matter of somebody paying me...we all here discussing same issue since many days and if we find something new or interesting or serious and helpful, we all sharing it,first of all i read news report on it so i post it, then i read it original and you can read blue lines that this theory if any reporter read it and ask on it to authority it may helpful and so on, so i post original copy of report,and writer is veteran pilot with 20 years of experience and if I post view of learned person of this field what is wrong? BTW, you are not administrator of this thread so you don't have right to accuse me. any way thanks for reading.

[cretanrunner]

Hi,

this not matter of somebody paying me...we all here discussing same issue since many days and if we find something new or interesting or serious and helpful, we all sharing it,first of all i read news report on it so i post it, then i read it original and you can read blue lines that this theory if any reporter read it and ask on it to authority it may helpful and so on, so i post original copy of report,and writer is veteran pilot with 20 years of experience and if I post view of learned person of this field what is wrong? BTW, you are not administrator of this thread so you don't have right to accuse me. any way thanks for reading.

Something new? Report surfaced 5 days ago. If I was the administrator of this forum, I probably would have shot myself listening to the rubbish people are posting.

BTW, you didn't answer my questions. I wonder why?

And another question. If they ran out of time, as he says, where is the wreck? It should be obvious by now.

[Mac Attack]

Hi,

this not matter of somebody paying me...we all here discussing same issue since many days and if we find something new or interesting or serious and helpful, we all sharing it,first of all i read news report on it so i post it, then i read it original and you can read blue lines that this theory if any reporter read it and ask on it to authority it may helpful and so on, so i post original copy of report,and writer is veteran pilot with 20 years of experience and if I post view of learned person of this field what is wrong? BTW, you are not administrator of this thread so you don't have right to accuse me. any way thanks for reading.

This Goodfellow article was already posted and referred to (many times) earlier in this thread. Repeated posting of the same material can be deemed as spam.....